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http://www.latemodelracer.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl Saturday Night Racer >> SATURDAY NIGHT RACER >> East vs. west don robert memorial at sms http://www.latemodelracer.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1157349734 Message started by Stephanie_Odom on 09/03/06 at 11:02pm |
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Title: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by Stephanie_Odom on 09/03/06 at 11:02pm lee jensen took the lead on the last lap from denman. simkins led most of the race until getting tangled up with denman. kearns holds the new track record and won his heat, but didnt start the main event. |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by racing_fan on 09/04/06 at 12:11am you no i like denman but tonight it was wrong trying to get by billy should have been sent to the back & i'd like to no what happined to billy's car after that when he parked it |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by fromthegrandstands on 09/04/06 at 12:25am Billy led most of that race and did a really good job holding off the 14 car of Denman. Denman did look quicker, and had a better line getting past the Grand Canyon in turn one. Billy looked like he was coming in too low and hitting the rut on a bad angle most of the race upsetting his line and speed to get off the corner. It was just a matter of time before Denman would make a challenge. That battle didn't go well for Billy. Funny thing was, after Denman got the lead, he started entering the corner protecting the bottom the same way..and it cost him too. I was rooting for BILLY, what a great way to kick off his Honeymoon that would have been. But he'll win the BIG race tomorrow when he ties the knot. All in all a great night of racing... EXCEPT for the STUPID 2 yellow rule. That rule KILLED B. Pounds, because HE got hit, and the car the hit him got locked to his door bars... He and Toby had a great battle going and were both charging toward the front. That BLACK Flag was very SAD. Then the same rule KILLED the DLM #8, who was the pole sitter. He spun on the opening lap into turn 1, bringing out the RESTART flag. Went to the back and along with Bobby Houge IV, was quickly moving forward. The #8 spun in 4 about 1/2 way into the 50 lap main, bringing out the caution...that ENDED his night too. RULES are good, but sometimes there needs to be a OVERRIDE process, or appeal, or SOMETHING. 2 great cars, on the sidelines. Now, the #49 FS, for NOT heeding to the BLACK FLAG...maybe a 2 or 3 race suspension would be good. |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by mama68 on 09/04/06 at 12:51am racing_fan wrote on 09/04/06 at 12:11am:
The brake broke when he got hit, so he had no brakes. Kinda of a bad let down when you lead a race, and run it clean for 45 laps, and crap like that happens. Watched the video, and it was very clear what happened, and I would have expected it from some other guys, but not Rich, and I think that's what bothers me the most.. Oh well, I guess that's what you call racing... |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by fromthegrandstands on 09/04/06 at 1:05am Sandie, I don't know if you guys could hear Denman's interview w/ Jay appologizing to Billy after the race. I watched him pull his car over to the tech area, and wondered if he'd go over to Billy's pits and do the same or not...of it that wasn't the proper time and place. It was sad, but in a way you could see it coming as the laps wound down. He was going to have to force the issue a bit, I don't think it would have been so bad on a smooth track. I think Jensen saw it too, and just waited to pounce. It was still a good race, I just wish Billy could have been in the middle of it in the end...car looked like it was hooked up. |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by sj_valley_dave on 09/04/06 at 2:54am Tonight had its share of way over aggresive driving.....Kind of sucks to leave turn 2, get a little loose and have the guy behind you put a bumper to you, not get out of it and let you catch it, but stay on the throttle and spin you out.....very different look...down the back straight and get a 360 deg ride....Oh well as the old saying goes.....what goes around comes ?????? We will not forget that one !!! |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by imracin68j on 09/04/06 at 6:30am racing_fan wrote on 09/04/06 at 12:11am:
2 bent rims, twisted shackle and a broken brake. I could have raced with everything but the broken brake. Can't change anything now, just fix everything and move on to the next race. Like my dad always said, if you were going fast enough, they wouldn't be able to hit you. That doesn't mean it doesn't sting a little. BTW Sparky, thanks for moving out of my way when I lapped you. Some things they can't take away from me. |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by Sparky56 on 09/04/06 at 7:32am imracin68j wrote on 09/04/06 at 6:30am:
Well Bill, with a flat tire & a busted axle, you better have lapped me. BTW, has I the only one that seen you punt Rich in the heat race????? |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by mudslinger47 on 09/04/06 at 7:56am Hopefully a couple of the SS guys went over and looked at the 56 DLM from last to second and not a mark on it in some excellent raceing and heavy traffic at times. Bad break for Billy, he didn't deserve that treatment and all the appologise(sp) in the world don't fix it. Kinda like the old I was goin so good I hated to slow down. I disasgree from Inthe Grandstands, if 14 was that much better, he'd passed ya clean. JMO watching from the stands Duane |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by racermick on 09/04/06 at 9:00am None of the team Simkins team should say anything negative on what happened to Billy. Billy knows that you will be raced as you race others! It always comes back full circle. It may not be with the same person, same track, same year, but it always gets you! Larry. |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by DaveBauerSS6 on 09/04/06 at 9:39am Its getting to the end of the year and the driving is rougher. No slack is being given. Rich found the loophole, hit them but dont cause the yellow. The cause and collection rule had some big holes in it last nite; maybe it should be changed to CONTACT rule, send the guy to the back with a black, second offense park him (is that already a rule?). Way too many cars muscling thier way thru. Two broken cars for us the last two visits (?) to SMS????? But the weather was good! Pappys was closed, so we went to Dennys. Congrats to Lee. |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by DaveBauerSS6 on 09/04/06 at 9:42am How bad was the Ford hurt? They do go faster just before they blow. So dose this mean you have to blow a motor to set the next SS record at SMS? |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by DaveBauerSS6 on 09/04/06 at 9:47am darn Larry, how long ago did Billy do you?? |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by DaveBauerSS6 on 09/04/06 at 10:37am What happened to the 6 car of Dowdy? Nice body! |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by DaveBauerSS6 on 09/04/06 at 10:45am Was there a Olson spec motor at the race; how did it do? |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by oldman98 on 09/04/06 at 11:45am I don't know if you guys could hear Denman's interview w/ Jay appologizing to Billy after the race. I watched him pull his car over to the tech area, and wondered if he'd go over to Billy's pits and do the same or not...of it that wasn't the proper time and place. It was sad, but in a way you could see it coming as the laps wound down. He was going to have to force the issue a bit, I don't think it would have been so bad on a smooth track. I think Jensen saw it too, and just waited to pounce. It was still a good race, I just wish Billy could have been in the middle of it in the end...car looked like it was hooked up. apologize...denman...i thought he just sent over his 7 foot body guard...i'm surprised that he didn't blame robby... |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by Poorboy on 09/04/06 at 1:01pm I think the 34 car had a spec motor. He finished 5th. It looked like the 6 car broke a ball joint or a control arm on the l/f. |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by ST_ODIE on 09/04/06 at 1:35pm Poorboy wrote on 09/04/06 at 1:01pm:
Actualy It was the A arm Mount Broke Off. Will get fixed Tuesday DaveBauerSC6 wrote on 09/04/06 at 10:37am:
The Only True Camero body Car |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by imracin68j on 09/04/06 at 3:39pm DaveBauerSC6 wrote on 09/04/06 at 9:47am:
I've raced for just under 10 years and I don't think I've ever spun a car around or slammed a car or if I did I don't remember it. I've always lived by the motto race others like you want to be raced. If someone has been slammed by me by all means refresh my memory. I've said it before, I could care less if someone bangs on my back bumper, tries to shake me loose or wants to rub a little. Sparky - Since you didnt mind reminding my getting lapped with a RF flat and bent suspension I didn't think you would care me bringing it up. |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by chevcamarolvr on 09/04/06 at 3:49pm SS Qualifying Top 10 69 Kearns 16.118 ** Way to go Chris ** 1n Corwin 16.228 23e Payne 16.282 23 Jensen 16.358 54 Bell 16.377 68j Simkins 16.383 77 Kirkpatrick 16.385 04 Randolph 16.434 14 Denman 16.460 15b Pounds 16.579 ------------------------------------------- Heat 1: 69, 23, 77, 40, 66, 34, 15B, 44 Heat 2: 04, 1, 54, 56, 92, 32, 2c, 10 Heat 3: 23e, 14, 68j, 8, 77c, 6, (30 DNS) ------------------------------------------ Trophy Dash: 23, 23e, 54, (69-DNF) ------------------------------------------ SS Main Top Five: 23, 14, 04, 40, 34 Congrats Lee "U Da Man" Jensen ------------------------------------------ Thanks to all of the racers for another exciting night of racing! Good Luck to everyone next Saturday night in Bako. SS :-) |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by chevcamarolvr on 09/04/06 at 5:28pm Here are some pics from this weekends racing. Sorry for the Bako ones, still trying to figure out the night features on my camera. Sorry for the spots, my 7 year old niece got ahold of my camera and the lens needs to be cleaned! http://chevcamarolvr.myphotoalbum.com |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by mama68 on 09/04/06 at 7:22pm Sparky56 wrote on 09/04/06 at 7:32am:
Be careful about the punt remark Sparky..The one thing that is great, is I get to watch all the races on the video, by myself, and without others around to influence me. I have been around a long time, and can tell what a car is doing and not doing, and what causes things to happen on the race track..... |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by Sparky56 on 09/04/06 at 7:30pm mama68 wrote on 09/04/06 at 7:22pm:
From where I was it looked like a punt.. Sparky-no "e" ;D |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by mama68 on 09/04/06 at 7:31pm racermick wrote on 09/04/06 at 9:00am:
You can say anything you want about us Mickey, but at least I can say that Billy is a cleaner driver, and is more respectful to other drivers, than you ever were.....So knock off your almighty crap, your not impressing anybody...... |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by mama68 on 09/04/06 at 7:47pm Sparky56 wrote on 09/04/06 at 7:30pm:
Like I said watching the video ,and not in the heat of the moment, let's you see what really happens on the track. That slow motion thing is great.....At the time I too thought Billy got into Rich, until I saw why.. Believe me I watched the Heat and Main video very carefully, and I know exactly what happened in both races. PS I know it is SPARKY...I just haven't had much sleep in 2 days...lol |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by mama68 on 09/04/06 at 8:18pm On a much happier note....Billy and Nicoles wedding on the ship was really nice. Had a tear in my eyes when they said their I do's, been a long time coming. Hope they enjoy their cruise, and is not to late getting back to Bakersfield Saturday. ps.. when we were going up to the wedding area, Billy saw the computer area, and started laughing, because he thought he was going to have to go thru withdrawls, not having his computer for a week.That's my boy, such a romantic...lol |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by fromthegrandstands on 09/04/06 at 9:15pm Cool thing about cameras are they don't lie (Unless you are a Hollywood Starlett), However, they can't show intent..and you have the opportunity to replay and analyze a situation that was created in a instant. In part, that is where I give a lot of respect to the HOTDOGS in the DLM cars who can dice and split traffic while still running wide open and finish the race w/o a scratch. BUT even those guys screw up sometimes in a SNAP judgement call. You have to wonder sometimes.... Was it Luck? ... or was it SKILL? ... Speaking of luck and skill, wasn't that a FORD that set fast time w/ a NEW record? LOL |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by ST_ODIE on 09/04/06 at 9:57pm fromthegrandstands wrote on 09/04/06 at 9:15pm:
But they are always fast just before they BLOW |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by racermick on 09/04/06 at 10:08pm And look what that has got him Sandie, i know, i'm just an old worn out wanna' be, but i assure you i am not on here voicing my opinion to impress. BTW, keep up the good work on the E v W deal, Larry. Congrats' to you Lee on your victory, nice drive! |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by Jason_V on 09/04/06 at 10:18pm Billy impressed me last night on the track. If it wasn't for that rut in one he would have been hard to beat. The Breshear car (40) sure looked faster than I had ever seen him also. Good job man. I thought it was a great SS race. Congrats to Lee Jensen for being there when it counted. |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by fromthegrandstands on 09/04/06 at 10:29pm ...as long as a FORD is fast once in a while, us FORD fans have a little something to hold on too. ?xy? @&@$ Chevy's anyway... |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by ST_ODIE on 09/04/06 at 10:32pm FORD is fast once in a while Thats it Fast once in a While LOL |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by BALLJNTBUSTER32 on 09/04/06 at 11:34pm fromthegrandstands wrote on 09/04/06 at 12:25am:
Ok I'm trying to live with the cause and collection rule. If your involved in the wreck you go to the back. But I find it hard to believe that every car that was involved in the first big pile up, got a yellow charged to them. By the way Brad was not involved in the wreck, he stopped before hitting any car. How come the #92 was in the back, was he not involved in the big pile up. Brad past him cleanly. Then the #92 door slammed Brad and got stuck. How is that not rough driving. I would like to know how Brad recieved the Black flag and not the #92. car. Sandie, I know you didn't make the call, but if you can explain this. I would sure like to know. Thanks Richie |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by timss47 on 09/05/06 at 7:13am Cause two yellows and your done! "BUT" collect is not your fault, there should be no number of collects, this part of the rule needs to be looked at, we went from 20 cars to 10 cars by lap 25 cause of this collect rule, its not fair to the drivers or the fans, i think all of the drivers from every class should take a vote! "NO" black flags for the number of collects, who is with me on this? my name is Tim mod 47 |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by olsonsmachine on 09/05/06 at 7:57am tim i think your right you stop or slide out to avoid a wreck you should get your spot back .... hey tim how did the new motor run she should have been BAD TO THE BONE talk to you later glenn is your brother in the 40 ss right |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by BALLJNTBUSTER32 on 09/05/06 at 9:17am timMod47 wrote on 09/05/06 at 7:13am:
You already know my thoughts on the matter. Team MMI is 100% behind you. Put it to a vote. Richie |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by timss47 on 09/05/06 at 9:39am Hay Glen, yes the 40 car is my brother, and yes the motor is bad to the bone!!! but we got to talk about this oil thing! i had to work my tushy off all night to keep him out there sunday night, |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by mama68 on 09/05/06 at 10:54am You know Richie, when this rule about if you cause 2 yellows in a race your out, started to keep the shows going, and to park the cars that could not keep their cars under control, and spun out alot. The collection part was to keep cars from plowing into or thru wrecks, and causing a more dangerous situation.This can be a good rule if common sense, and logic is used. In my opinion, there should be no 2 collect and park it penalty. Most of the time if you get collected up in someone elses spin or wreck, it is not your fault, and you didn't cause the yellow, it was just bad racing luck.It's bad enough that you have to go to the back, but to penalize you by making you park it, is just not fair. Like I have said this is a rule has it's purpose, but it also takes, common sense and a fair judgement call on the officiating part. |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by R.Denman14 on 09/05/06 at 11:45am I have been debating weather to post on this thread or not but feel I need to say a few things. First of all I'm not making any excuses for what happen between Billy and myself, just giving you my point of view. The track had holes the size of volkswagons and was partly hookup. To be fast on that kind of surface you have to be on the gas and up on the wheel if your car is working good. I followed the 68 for about 25 or 30 laps making a few attempts to pass that were neither blocked or I couldnt do it without contact so I was being patient. The race was winding down and going into turn 1 the 68 pushed pretty hard with a lap car on the outside. I set the car early and tried to fill the hole on the bottom and slid up and he started coming back down to protect the bottom and we hit hard door to door. Thats how I saw it and felt it. Everybody see's something different but I also looked at the tape in slow motion. I have apologized to the crowd, to Billy himself and to Sandie for this. I know it doesnt help but whatelse can I do now. I will take full blame for this. Now what really upsets our team is to come on this board and have the E/W series director continually bad talking me for this. We have been one of the biggest supporters of this series from the start and to get this kind of treatment from Sandie just has us rethinking our situation. Now all the sudden I'm the biggest S.O.B. and roughest driver out there. Some of you might already think that but thats your choice. I would almost understand it if this is something I always do, then maybe you would have to send a 7' bodyguard over to straighten me out. If the rolls were reversed weather the 68 would ever do something like that or not and believe me I have gotten the short end of the stick many times at SMS, you would not and have not seen me posting on this site, especially if I was the director of the "series", that this driver or that driver cant race me clean. Most of drivers in the super streets all it would take is a apology for when sh$t happens and then its done and lets try it again next race. Doesnt ever make it right or easier to accept but its racing. After this treatment I think we will rethink our support of the E/W series next year. 3 more races and Thank God its over, I've had enough!!! Note: I did get punted in the heat and it was no big deal. |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by olsonsmachine on 09/05/06 at 12:28pm i did not see the race but it sounds like there were some bad calls .. who makes these calls in sms IS IT SWINDELER IF IT IS SAY NO MORE |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by FASTUNDERCAR on 09/05/06 at 12:50pm R.Denman14 wrote on 09/05/06 at 11:45am:
Your a class act Denman and I personally would hope that in the off season that you would re-think this and change your position and support the E/W. That said I agree with your articulation here and would say that with all that Sandie has been up to leading up to this race that her emotions are in "haywire" mode right now, not to make excuses for her. My take on this incident would be no different than what happened between you and Lee for the finish..... a racing incident............ peace...............................mike |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by the_dirt_hurt on 09/05/06 at 1:11pm Rich Denman is one of the cleanest drivers out on the race track on any given night, period. What happened from my vantage point was exactly the way he stated he went low when Billy pushed and then Billy came down and hard contact was had. Truly a racing deal. Now Rich had the faster car, that much was clearly obvious to all in the stands and for him to race without bumping for as many laps as he did says alot about his clean driving. There are countless other racers who would not have waited as long as he had to in order to make a move, he went when he thought he could pull it off, contact was made and that should have been the end of it especially when he made the classy gesture of apologizing on the microphone in front of the whole crowd. Rich dont quit, you are alot of fun to watch race and you certainly have lost no respect from this fan in the stands. Good job to Lee Jensen, another class act to watch race. |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by mama68 on 09/05/06 at 1:17pm Ok Rich, here is my response to you on this subject. (1) After the race we were not very happy, and if it was reversed, you wouldn't have been either, but we did not yell, cuss, cause a big ruckus, just told you what we thought. (2) We have not been posting a bunch of nasty remarks, or threats or anything else. I posted 9-4 @12.11am, that I wasn't very happy, but I didn't bad mouth you, and ended the post with that's what you call racing. Billy posted 9-4 @ 6:30, and just responded to a post and said what was wrong with the car, also didn't say anything about you or bad mouth you. Billy posted 9-4 @ 9:47am responding to something Larry said, had nothing to do with you at all I posted 9-4 @ 7:22 responding to something Sparky said, was not bashing you. I posted 9-4 @ 7:31 responding to something Larry said about our team, had nothing to do with you at all. I posted 9-4 @ 7:30 in response to a post, just said I watched the video and said I could see why and how things happened, no bad mouthing you. I posted 9-4 @ 8:18 about Billy and Nicoles wedding My last post was to Richie McGowen about the C & C rule, had nothing to do you and Billy. So the way I look at it Rich, I don't feel that I have been out of line by trashing, bad mouthing, making threats or anything. Our team is allowed to get upset sometimes, just like you have done in the past, and just because I am the paper pusher for the E/W Series, does not mean, I am not allowed to say anything when it comes to something happening to our team. The one thing we have and will always do is leave the last race behind us, and go on to the next one. We don't hold grudges, or bad feelings going into the next race, because it doesn't benefit anyone, or anything. I'm sorry you feel the way you do about your continuing support of the E/W, because you have been a big asset. But I have got to tell you, that if doing the series, to help guys out, just to help the sport, not for anything for myself, means I cannot voice my opinions, like everyone else does when something happens to their car, then I too am going to rethink continuing the E/W series. We are in this for fun, not to looses friendships, and carry hard feelings around. If it comes to a choice between continuing this E/W series and our own race team, I'm sure you know which one I am going to choose. Sandie Simkins |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by mama68 on 09/05/06 at 1:24pm the_dirt_hurt wrote on 09/05/06 at 1:11pm:
No problem, this can be easily rectified....... |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by S.Denman14 on 09/05/06 at 1:44pm I can't tell you how many times Rich has gotten phone calls from Sandie on his opinion of things to do in e/w and what he thought. I have heard from Sandie several times that she values Richs opinion. I also have heard her say that Rich is one of the most respected and one of he cleanest drivers that she knows. So now all of a sudden that her precious baby boy didn't get the win that she thought that he had she is mad at the world!!!! I am sure that any racer would agree that given the chance to pass for the lead, they are going to take it. Rich didn't do on purpose what happend between him and Billy anymore than Lee did what happend between him and Rich on purpose its called racing and you Sandie should know that since you have been in the sport for as long as you have. Another point that I have to make is I have heard from SEVERAL of the E/W drivers that Sandie has been in there pits after the race chewing them out for a bad move or a move that she did not approve of that they had made on Billy. Is this necessary? Does everyone have to worry about making Sandie mad? I think not.... From this point on I think that those who know my husband REALLY is as a person and a racer, you know he is a really great guy and an extremly talented race car driver, and for those who just have opionions, we really could care less..... |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by kicknmud on 09/05/06 at 1:52pm you guys got to be kidding. to trash sandy for speaking out about something that happened to her own car, and calling her classless, after all she has done to help the street stocks. like she is not allowed to have an opinion or anything else when it comes to their race car. i don't blame her if she does quit the east west shootout. i read the things she said, and didn't see where she said anything bad to the #14, to be called classless. man you guys sure can be nasty over nothing. she always looks to be someone with alot of heart for the sport, but she is human , like everyone else. and why are you mixing up what she does with the east west, and what happens to their own car? I thought she said things in a very nice way, considering what happened.. |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by the_dirt_hurt on 09/05/06 at 1:59pm I retracted the part of my comment where I was critical of her. Sometimes you say things in the heat of the moment and you then rethink it and admit it. I did. what sandy has done for the e/w is great, I still dont think though that what happened on the track warranted any negativity in these public forums, especially since Rich said he handled it like a man and spoke with Billy himself. I would just think that it should have ended there and not been brought on to the forums. All in all it was a good night of racing that the full house of fans seemed to enjoy. |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by mama68 on 09/05/06 at 2:18pm S.Denman 14 wrote on 09/05/06 at 1:44pm:
First off Shannon, I do and have always respected Rich's opinion and driving skills. Also I don't get the remark that I am mad at the world..geez give me a break. It's just racing not life. Another thing, I really don't appreciate the remark about my precious little boy. I look at Billy as our driver when he is racing, nothing more. Myself and my team look at Billy and things that hapoen in a race, just like you and your team do about Rich. I have heard you also bad mouth drivers, after a race, for getting into Rich. So why is it ok for you, and not for me? This is starting to get personal, and blowen way out of proportion, and I really don't feel I deserve it. But say and do what you think, it's your right. At least I really know how you guys really feel, about me. Have a nice day. Sandie |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by sj_valley_dave on 09/05/06 at 2:27pm The track was really rough and tacky/slick Sunday nite and the resulting contact was unfortunate. All three drivers that have been talked about ie: Rich, Lee and Billy are good clean racers that we enjoy running against with out worrying about being taken out. I'm sure after a couple of days everything will cool down and we will all have a great last points race at Bako saturday night. At least all you guys talked and apologized etc., more than we got after being spun completely around down the back staright.....LMAO |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by LMR on 09/05/06 at 2:34pm I think this thread should be completely deleted. Any objections? |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by S.Denman14 on 09/05/06 at 2:36pm mama68 wrote on 09/05/06 at 2:18pm:
Myself and Rich tried to talk to you after the race Sandie and you didn't have the time for either of us. We both tried to talk to you about this incident and you chose to ignore us so you have made it personal. I have been upset with other drivers your right, but not every race. And you don't just treat Billy like the other racers and you know what I understand that in a way because I am a parent, but I am not the director of a series and you have done a great job Sandie I haven't said that, but you really should have thought about it before you came on here and said anything about the race. I see you have removed some of your possibly threatening posts. Don't get me wrong up until you treated us the way you did and then posted what you posted I to thought we had a pretty good friendship, but just goes to show you how wrong you can be about people. Have a great day! Shannon Denman |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by imracin68j on 09/05/06 at 2:39pm I thought I said best thing you can do is fix your parts and move on? As far as me coming down its not true. It looks like I'm coming down onto Rich but the video shows Rich's car in the infield and then coming onto the track and us hitting. As the leader I have a right to protect the bottom but I can't protect the infield. I will say Shannon if we did this to you, it would be hard to shake off. But we will, no biggie onto the next race. BTW. In all due respect, I've seen Rich getting into a shoving match with Robbie at Chow in front shute for Robby bumping him. Also saw Bob chase Robby around the pits for hitting Rich. So for me to walk over to Rich and verbably tell him I thought that move was a cheap shot and walk away, i feel it was far from classless on our part. |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by mama68 on 09/05/06 at 2:40pm wrote on 09/05/06 at 2:34pm:
Scott, no offence, but I don't think you should delete this thread, People have a right to voice their opinion, and I think it is a good thing. If they have problem, with me or anything else, they should get it out , so we can move on. Sandie |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by FASTUNDERCAR on 09/05/06 at 2:41pm i second that Scott b4 cooler heads can't prevail.....alot of emotion and in my opinion a racing incident exactly what happened to Rich when lee won the race. peace.................................out. mike |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by FASTUNDERCAR on 09/05/06 at 2:45pm wrote on 09/05/06 at 2:34pm:
ALL IN FAVOR.......SAY AYE..........................PLEASE. |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by LMR on 09/05/06 at 2:45pm Mama, I don't think having this thread out there is going to solve anything. I believe you all should rattle this thing out in private. This thread is getting very personal and out of hand. It is serving no purpose other than adding fuel to the fire and causing hard feelings. But it's up to all of you. If you want it to stay, so be it. |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by mama68 on 09/05/06 at 2:59pm Give me a break Shannon, will you. There was no ignoring you, I just feel that sometimes it better not to say to much at the races in the heat of the moment. It is better to go home and settle down, look at the videos. That way you don't say nasty things you can't take back. Also we had to get out of there as soon as we could because we had to get home, unload, and get ready to go to the wedding. I too have always thought of us as good friends, and I don't know why you think that something that happens on the race track, would have anything to do with that. At least that's not how I handle things like friendship.But if you want something like this to effect our friendship, that's up to you and Rich. But I can tell you, like I said before, if doing this series for everyone is going to effect our race team, or what I can or can not say about something that happens on the track involving our car, then it is not worth it to me personally. End of subject... take care Sandie |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by benstrans on 09/05/06 at 3:01pm I agree with LM admin. I am reminded of a story of about reporter who mistakenly insulted a well known figure in one of his newspaper columns. The day after the paper was published, the reporter ran into the same person while using the restroom at a restaurant. After he profusely alologized, the very famous person replied tactfully, "Apology accepted, but I just wish next time you'd insult me in the bathroom and apologize in the newspaper." Take your conversation to your personal e-mails or head down to the coffee shop and talk it over. We''ll ALL know it's settled when we see you both at the races together. (and for the sake of East-West, we hope we do) |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by FASTUNDERCAR on 09/05/06 at 3:10pm benstrans wrote on 09/05/06 at 3:01pm:
VERY WISE MAN.............................. peace...................mike |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by jrtracing on 09/05/06 at 3:44pm Here on this board everyone gets to put thier 2 cents in. So I'm going to tell you about me and Jeramiah. We get along pretty good off track. I'd do about anything I could to help him out. On track recently we started having quite a bit of contact, not all his, or my fault (that's the way I see it anyway), but finally I stopped by his trailer to pregnant dog at him. We talked, we argued, and I told him no matter what, he could stop by, and there would be cold beer in our ice chest after the races. So after the main, with no contact between Van Scoy and I, he came by to take me up on the beer offer. I wasn't there and some of my bunch growled at him for getting in our ice chest, then other comments were made. The thing is us two drivers were trying to put it behind us, and it kind of got wound up again by my group when I wasn't there. I forgot what my point even was when I started, but we're going to BBQ after the races on 9-9. I hope all the SS teams come join us. |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by skooby8o5 on 09/05/06 at 4:07pm One or the other needs to call each other and talk it over instead of coming on here and making it worse ........... |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by S.Denman14 on 09/05/06 at 4:08pm If you wanted to go home and watch the video and cool off, then you shouldn't have gotten on the computer and said anything about what happend in the race that night. Believe it or not Sandie Rich and I would have been fine with all of this, he would have come to you all the next race and made sure that everything was cool and thats all that it would have been is a racing incident. But you are the one that made it more than what it was. Now end of subject..... Shannon |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by michael_redding on 09/05/06 at 5:19pm i THINK THAY SHOULD MOVE THE BIG TALL AND LONG TOW TRUCK IN TURN ONE AWAY FROM THE IN SIDE WALL SO YOU CAN SEE THE RECK RIGHT BEHINED IT. TOO YELLOW RULE JUST NOT RIGHT. I WOULD RATHER GO TO THE BACK I WAS THERE ANY WAY.I DID NOT START THE YELLOW I FOUND IT WITH THE FRONT OF MY CAR. THERE WERE SOME GOOD DRIVERS PARKED WITH THAT RULE.NOT RIGHT PS. ALL IN ALL I HAD FUN |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by lmfan01 on 09/05/06 at 6:04pm All this whinnnnning . the race is over everybody will be in bako with smiles |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by DaveBauerSS6 on 09/05/06 at 7:39pm About Sandie: We all knew going into this series Sandie was part of a team. That is still the same and she has the right to put her teams opinion on the board. I have several differences of opinion with the series, but that is what you deal with. Nothing personal is taken, when it dosent go my way. About Rich: Waaaa. Let me remind you of the " I was impatient" and Bradys " you were in the way". Not a big deal!!! I didnt like it, but thats the way is goes. There is a difference in a driver hunting another and a simple racing deal; and we all know you were not hunting Billy.Im having a bad year and done a good job in staying away from others (not perfect). If you were as fast as last year we wouldnt be talking about this. Let this deal go, Im almost as fast as you, dont short me the chance to race you. As you know anyone will race with you. Thats all the begging you'll get from me. BTW I thought I was the poster child! LOLL |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by lmfan01 on 09/05/06 at 8:21pm boy thats a lie |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by DaveBauerSS6 on 09/05/06 at 9:01pm 2Xhobby wrote on 09/05/06 at 8:21pm:
Dont kid yourself, your not the poster boy. |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by lmfan01 on 09/05/06 at 9:04pm never claimed to be |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by fromthegrandstands on 09/05/06 at 9:18pm Hopefully the race is behind everyone now, and the E/W Series will move into the next race...with a little excitement sitting on the edge of seats. This past weekends show was AWESOME and the car count was Great. This was the Don Roberts Memorial, although I think I heard more about the Bud Stanfield Memorial being announced. Don Roberts was a great radio personality locally and I use to love his announcing. Do most of the fans in the stands know who he was? I don't buy a program (It doesn't fit with in my race budget) So I don't know if they do a profile of him every year or not. I hope they do...as I hope they do with Bud Stanfield, Danny Simkins and I'm not sure...is there still a Bill Baker Memorial race? There is an empty glass case next to the Tracks' Wall of Fame. It would be cool if on the "memorial" races they could have something about the person being memorialized in that case. Photos, a little story, something interesting about that person... |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by Kellycosmosis on 09/05/06 at 9:41pm From Team 77C We got punted a couple of times in the main, but when you run in the back of the pack nobody notices, haha. I hate to see the troubles they had in the front of the pack because I see both of those teams as family and I hate to see trouble between family. Both teams have done good in building this E vs. W series. I just hope everybody can get along. Congratulations to Lee Jenson and we will be bringing Portuguese Linguica and may be Portuguese octane booster for the Bar-B-Que after the race Sat night. Johnny |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by Kellycosmosis on 09/05/06 at 9:44pm Can't we all just get along and have a beer...or 6 :-D ~ Kelly |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by TIM_BEWLEY on 09/05/06 at 9:58pm Kellycosmosis wrote on 09/05/06 at 9:41pm:
i'm from sm and we never had a bbq with out linguica. in fact i very seldom now have a bbq with out it. silva bros. is the best |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by fromthegrandstands on 09/05/06 at 10:04pm Quote:
Yeah Baby...That's what I'm talkin about! You see commercials for those Johnsonville Brats... But if you've got a choice of Brats vs. Silva Linguica...it's Linguica all the way Baby... |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by racing_fan on 09/05/06 at 11:40pm sound's like to me this e/w deal need some people to help this street stock class work better i think it's hard for sandie to help on there car and put up with all the e/w class all by her self . rich denman you are a class act long with every other team but i did see the same thing going over the berm and back on to the track then you to hitting . i just think the e/w need's some help on the call's . it just like in bakersfield sat night late model's on a restart when drake got on the gas and brake checked everyone and everone getting the bad end of it . drake should have been sent's to the back . but in the e/w you have the offical's making the call's and they do make bad call's every sooooo often sooooo why not get some people who have no car in this class to make the call's and to talk to instead of sandie all the time ya she mite be the leader of the e/w but take some pressure off her |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by 3dshoe on 09/05/06 at 11:50pm racing_fan wrote on 09/05/06 at 11:40pm:
Sandy doesn't make the calls, she organizes the series. This is between two friends so let them work it out;it will be better for us all in the long run to stay out of it. Chris |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by FASTUNDERCAR on 09/06/06 at 7:46am Scott....................PLEASE............THIS IS NOT LIKE WINE......IT'S NOT GETTING BETTER WITH AGE............ peace.........................mike p.s. I call for another vote! |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by chevcamarolvr on 09/06/06 at 8:19am Scott maybe you could just LOCK IT and move it down a page or two! Just a suggestion. SS |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by FASTUNDERCAR on 09/06/06 at 8:20am AMEN......................something.........lol peace......................mike |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by sj_valley_dave on 09/06/06 at 8:30am I know that we are all looking forward to getting this very unfortunate situation behind us, go to bako, have a great race and then party like Rock Stars in the pits afterward with a great BBQ and some great friends. We should be turning our attention to Mr Kearns and if he is getting a Ford engine put together so our guys can have the fun of racing Mr Capps......LOL |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by jrtracing on 09/06/06 at 8:35am Chris called yesterday. I'm going to talk to Jerry about letting him drive our other car if Chris can't get his car back together. Originally Jerry had said it would be ok for Scelzi (SP?) to drive it if he came with Capps, so we should be able to have a back up plan. |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by GRAHAM_#10 on 09/06/06 at 8:58am THIS IS GREAT..............A RACING SOAP OPERA |
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Title: Re: East vs. west don robert memorial at sms Post by Chris_Kearns on 09/06/06 at 9:51am I think alot of people have short memories. Although it looked like a mutual racing incident,(Billy, Rich and the track) Rich earned credit by lifting for Billy the prior 30 laps. With 5 to go he drove harder. Who wouldn't. Same goes for Sandy. She comes on here and says some stuff people don't like in defense of her son. But I believe she has also earned a lot of credit for all she has done for Street Stocks the last 2 years. I am sure it is hard to seperate being a series director and being a mom. You can't blame her for which of those 2 come first. Trust me there has been many of times this year that I have started a post as WAS director and then deleted it. I remember Scott Schweitzer taking some heat on here for not being able to seperate being a track owner and a car owner! There was a call by Sandy that I to did not agree with but bringing it up on here won't do much good. I will talk to her in private. Maybe to make it easier for Sandy to be a Mom, everyone could pay $10 more entry next year and have a hired race director for the E/W. Just a thought. Thanks, Chris PS. Remember ITS JUST RACING! (our hobby, not our life) |
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