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http://www.latemodelracer.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl Saturday Night Racer >> SATURDAY NIGHT RACER >> BUD Nationals http://www.latemodelracer.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1158882126 Message started by Chad11 on 09/21/06 at 4:42pm |
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Title: BUD Nationals Post by Chad11 on 09/21/06 at 4:42pm Any word whether the $100 entry covers the drivers' pit pass' or not? |
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Title: Re: BUD Nationals Post by 17t_racer on 09/21/06 at 7:40pm i IM scott and i have not received a reply from the speedway yet! i hope it does include the pit pass or a pit crew of three will cost almost $400.00 just to get in! |
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Title: Re: BUD Nationals Post by woodracin13 on 09/21/06 at 9:34pm That's what I am talking about. Myself and my pitcrew will cost me $340.00. I was wondering if the $100 entry included the pit passes for the driver. Thanks, |
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Title: Re: BUD Nationals Post by Troy Morris Jr. on 09/21/06 at 10:53pm I asked this question last week and am still waiting on an answer. It is the end of the year and funds are tight on the racers end, help us out and make it affordable!! |
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Title: Re: BUD Nationals Post by Chad11 on 09/22/06 at 8:09am It looks like all divisions have the same entry? i'm thinkin 100+40+40+70(for gas). Just 250 to get on the track. It is $1500 to win and $100 to start though. I hope we get alot of cars. |
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Title: Re: BUD Nationals Post by igolow on 09/22/06 at 9:12am Lets see, 2005 entry 140 includes pit passes of 60 for two days = 80 entry. 75 to start a main 2006 entry 100 not including pit passes of 80 for two days = 100 entry. 100 to start a main Looks like to me just a increase of 20 bucks from last year which is pretty fair if you look at all the cost to the track has gone up. Plus if you don't make it to Saturday you dont have to buy a pit pass and save 40 bucks. Last year I bought a two day pass and didn't need it for Saturday and no refund. JMO |
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Title: Re: BUD Nationals Post by Chad11 on 09/22/06 at 9:37am lates, mods and supers are same entry but more money to win and start. Wasn't the entry for late models last year 200+? Seems like maybe we are paying the late model purse. I know the lower divisions pay the higher divisions' purse and thats just the way it is. But we deserve to be taken care of just as much as the late model and super street guys. What's this "if you don't make it to saturday" stuff. All we run on Friday is heats. c-mains, b-mains ands a's are all on saturday. |
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Title: Re: BUD Nationals Post by igolow on 09/22/06 at 12:04pm Heres why: hobby stocks are not the draw....I think there are a great division to watch but thats not what the town of Bako thinks. Thats why late models,mod etc run for more money. Wait for the twin 50 and take a look in the stands. I bet you will see more concrete on that night then you do at the nationals. For your other question: I was told when I asked in pre tech that because of time on Saturday they will run some d,c main on Friday if possible or what if you brake, Answer is- dont come back on saturday and buy a pit pass. |
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Title: Re: BUD Nationals Post by dirtboxhero on 09/22/06 at 12:33pm it says on the flyer you can buy your wayto the back of the c-main for $150...that includes pit pass |
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Title: Re: BUD Nationals Post by igolow on 09/22/06 at 1:28pm where does it state "includes pit pass" , you guys are impossible. |
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Title: Re: BUD Nationals Post by JOHNSON MOTORSPORTS 1 on 09/22/06 at 2:27pm quit complaining and go race. the entry is what it is. u dont see all of us american stocks complaining about our nationals. we have to pay 85 for our entry and pit pass+gas and were only racing for 500 to win. so if your in it for money then go somewhere else cuz u wont find it in california for any dvision, but if ur in it for fun then quit complaining and go have fun. i will be racing in thise race with my american and im not complaining. just pay it and have fiun. if ur worried about it then just go win the 1500 and get more than ur money back. and also i dont know who IGOLOW is but i think there wrong. hobby stocks have grown a lot over the last couple years and there r a lot of people that enjoy watching them. u may not like watching them but u r one of the few at bako i bet. so u should keep that opinion to urself |
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Title: Re: BUD Nationals Post by dirtboxhero on 09/22/06 at 2:45pm kevin...you definantly got a way with words...lol |
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Title: Re: BUD Nationals Post by 17t_racer on 09/22/06 at 2:50pm kevin does have a point about if your in it for the money get out. but ponder this one ,in order to break even or make money you would have to finish third or better!! |
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Title: Re: BUD Nationals Post by 81LOVELESS on 09/22/06 at 4:00pm like someone said before its a hobby how many people pay you to go ride your quad or how many people pay for you to go camping its just a hobby so quit all the complaining and racewe are not nascar where all the big money is so race or hang it up just my 2 cents |
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Title: Re: BUD Nationals Post by Chad11 on 09/22/06 at 5:25pm My concern on this issue is not just for myself, but also for the potential out of town guy. On a typical night you pay $30 to race and get $25 back if you get last. For this race you have to get 7th to get your entry back. At $100 inc. pit pass, I think the pits would be packed with cars from all over. At $180 I am afraid many cars will just sit this one out and wait for the twin 50's. Don't get me wrong, I think Scott and the speedway staff have done a great job all year. All I want is to see a hobby stock race at the speedway with 60+ cars. That's what the track deserves. |
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Title: Re: BUD Nationals Post by Chad11 on 09/22/06 at 5:32pm My stance on the cost of racing debate has always been, don't raise the purse, lower the entry or pit pass cost to make it more affordable. I appreciate everything the track has done and I appreciate having the opportunity to race for a $1500 prize. Like I said I just want to see the pits packed. |
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Title: Re: BUD Nationals Post by BPinette on 09/24/06 at 12:22pm Chad I would like to join you and others at the Bud Nationals but it is unlikely I will be there due to the cost. While I agree with your conclusion I disagree with your arguement. Every racer has a budget that he must live by. Your budget can't be based on potential winnings. You have to go to the track assuming you will win nothing. Every racer is on the track because he/she loves the thrill of the race. Winning money is just a bonus. Some racers have enough talent to win races consistantly and enough karisma to win major sponsorships. These are the few that do'nt have to pay out of their own pocket to do what they love. The rest of us must pay to play. Also if you looked at the nightly cost to race an LM vs winnings compared to the cost to race a hobby vs winnings you would see the hobbies are the favored ones. |
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Title: Re: BUD Nationals Post by Chad11 on 09/24/06 at 2:45pm After looking at the purses for the other divisions, the hobbys are getting the best deal. I am afraid that out-of-towners will not look past the entry. If they look closely though they will see that they are getting a very good deal. Are there any out of town hobbys planning on coming to this race?? I think we had about 45 cars the last 2 years. I'd like to see more than that this year. |
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Title: Re: BUD Nationals Post by BPinette on 09/24/06 at 2:50pm There was quite abit of interest expressed at SMS last night and I would guess at least 5 or 6 FS are going but I won't try to speak for them by giving names. |
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Title: Re: BUD Nationals Post by GRAHAM_#10 on 09/24/06 at 6:09pm I will be there i'll be the guy going as fast as i can and turning left, theres probaly 8-9 cars from sms |
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Title: Re: BUD Nationals Post by lmfan01 on 09/24/06 at 6:39pm Pit Passes are not included in the entry fee |
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Title: Re: BUD Nationals Post by outlawaaron98 on 09/24/06 at 8:05pm I KNOW ALL FOUR OF OUR CARS FROM THE RAYBURN STABLE ARE GOING #29 #43 #81 AND #98 ARE ALL GOING TO THE NATIONALS SO SEE YOU THERE DOYLE AND YOU ARENT THE ONLY ONE FROM SMS GOING FAST AND TURNING LEFT LMAO AND I KNOW THE PASO H.S. CARS ARE GOING SO THAT MAKES 8 SMS CARS I KNOW ARE GOING FOR SURE |
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Title: Re: BUD Nationals Post by Chad11 on 09/24/06 at 8:11pm Awsome, looks like it should be a great car count. I hope some guys from victorville, perris and up north can make it out too. |
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Title: Re: BUD Nationals Post by Craig C. on 09/24/06 at 9:32pm Wow... You guys are getting stroked on that deal... $40 PER DAY for a pit pass on a multiple day race? Not to mention the $100 entry fee for JUST THE CAR, and that is the same for the lower divisions? I don't care which class is the draw, if you're going to charge EVERY CLASS the SAME AMOUNT, then you need to PAY EACH CLASS THE SAME AMOUNT! There is inherently something wrong with that. I thought Bako was the track that was BEHIND the racers and was all about stepping forward and treating the racers the right way. By the looks of those fliers, that event sure does look like the same old deal of a promoter making the back gate (THE RACE TEAMS) pay the purse. What happened to PROMOTION and putting people in the seats? I'm sorry, but if a track can't include a pit pass along with the entry fee (we shouldn't have to pay entry fees at all, but that's an entirely different conversation...), then that track is putting the screws to the racers for that event. I still can't get over seeing that $40 PER DAY for a pit pass... |
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Title: Re: BUD Nationals Post by DaveBauerSS6 on 09/24/06 at 9:59pm Craig...... It's $1500 to win. That's a fair entry that is consistant with other payouts. This is a great opportunity for a Hobby that's been running for +-$300 (?) to win all year. |
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Title: Re: BUD Nationals Post by snoopy22 on 09/24/06 at 10:03pm On a normal night for Bako hobbies its only $250.00 to win. |
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Title: Re: BUD Nationals Post by DaveBauerSS6 on 09/24/06 at 10:04pm Thanks.... also the Bud jacket and a lifetime of bragging rights are priceless. |
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Title: Re: BUD Nationals Post by snoopy22 on 09/24/06 at 10:05pm you said it Dave!!!! |
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Title: Re: BUD Nationals Post by Chad11 on 09/24/06 at 11:07pm I need a bigger BUD jacket. |
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Title: Re: BUD Nationals Post by Troy Morris Jr. on 09/24/06 at 11:42pm I still think if the WAS can have a $5000 to win and only charge a $25.00 entry, we should be able to do it. The WAS promoter hussled and gained sponsor support to get a $28k purse, they used other resources to get the money not the personal checking accounts of each racer. Just an opinion, not said to push any buttons. www.unrealvinyl.com |
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Title: Re: BUD Nationals Post by mudslinger47 on 09/25/06 at 1:17am wrote on 09/24/06 at 11:42pm:
In all fairness, getting sponsership for a DLM event and a Street stock event probably present a whole different set of surcomstances(sp). No offence meant but the draw just isn't there of this type of car. |
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Title: Re: BUD Nationals Post by heyyou#27 on 09/25/06 at 7:02am must be sum kinda draw for HS, it a 2 day show, SS only one....... |
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Title: Re: BUD Nationals Post by jrtracing on 09/25/06 at 7:48am I think SS are only one night so they have a Headliner main event on Fri. to help draw the crowd on Fri. night. |
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Title: Re: BUD Nationals Post by sj_valley_dave on 09/25/06 at 9:20am Your right Lee. Thats what was said last year, that the S/S could be the headliner Friday and have a "Main" event for the track. I like the idea that we are only racing Friday night, there are a lot of 2 day races coming up... |
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Title: Re: BUD Nationals Post by jrtracing on 09/25/06 at 9:36am The one night format leaves room for the Friday night partying and no worry about racing with the hangover on Sat. It's a great plan. I think they had me in mind when they came up with the idea. |
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Title: Re: BUD Nationals Post by dannyracer6 on 09/25/06 at 2:03pm Really, the purse for the most part is irrelivant..Only the top5 really get anything close to break even..Most of us race for fun and braggin rights...If you are in it for the money, you lost before you entered...I agree, lower the entry so more can afford to come, and leave the purse where it is or get a big corp sponsor to put up some money. In most divisions of this type of racing, It really is not about potential money, the prize for winning, it is the up front money, what it will cost me to come to the track. The more cars, the better the show..Only one guy wins anyway, but it is sure fun to watch 3 or 4 try to hit turn one at the same time.......dr6 |
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Title: Re: BUD Nationals Post by Late_Model_Mark on 09/25/06 at 4:53pm Hey Lee, as one who has consumed frostys with you on the hill I say go kick some butt on Friday and let's pound some frostys on Saturday! Hooorah! Late Model Mark |
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Title: Re: BUD Nationals Post by imracin68j on 09/25/06 at 5:28pm I think that the guys who only run fri can also use their pitpass for sat. |
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Title: Re: BUD Nationals Post by jrtracing on 09/25/06 at 7:08pm imracin68j wrote on 09/25/06 at 5:28pm:
Why??--They don't sell beer down there. |
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Title: Re: BUD Nationals Post by lmfan01 on 09/25/06 at 9:48pm streets only get one day because of car count . Two years ago they only had 28 cars so Scott moved the hobbys in for two days with 45 cars |
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Title: Re: BUD Nationals Post by imracin68j on 09/25/06 at 10:52pm I think some of the stuff going on during the middle of the year took some of the wind out of the sails for the LM and SS in reguards to "Big Shows." The two classes got to experience new and fresh ideas presented to them not only in race formats but payouts as well. I'm still waiting for tracks to adapt a logical format that rewards "the field," for their entertainment, not the nose. I still think a payout like: 1000, 900, 800, 700, 600, 500, 450, 400, 350, 300, 250, 200, 150, 150, 150 looks better than 1500, 1000, 600, 400, 300, 250, 175, 150, 150, 150, 150, If tracks cant afford it maybe its time to hire a sales team that gets X% of what they sell. I mean a professional sales team, not someones crew chief walking around the parts houses. I don't think that you gotta give the drivers lotto winning, just show payouts with even distrubution that show the tracks appreciate ALL the drivers involved, not just the guys on the tech pad. "Open Comp Show" Driver pitpass = 150 3 crew pitpass = 120 Fuel 50 320 - 5th back is a net loss. (Not included) fuel for tow - 50 (conservative) Two day shows which includes hotes, and double pit passes for crew. So basically, for the 4 cars that got any kind of reward, the other 30 cars just took a loss. Leaving a race track holding your ersh is never a good feeling. |
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Title: Re: BUD Nationals Post by ST_ODIE on 09/25/06 at 11:35pm Wow Billy I think your thinking Like me Now This is what I have been talking about..................... It's alway a Loss. and Just think of the guy that comes up from the B main He's Paid more.......... The Best guy could have a bad night and Still Lose.......... How Can the WAS and the EVW Put on the Big Dollar Races and the Track Promoter Can't????? SPONSORS It'sall about the SPONSORS They have to quit useing the pit money to pay the purses and get Sponsors to Pay for it... |
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Title: Re: BUD Nationals Post by imracin68j on 09/25/06 at 11:45pm ST_ODIE wrote on 09/25/06 at 11:35pm:
I just lost my argument |
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Title: Re: BUD Nationals Post by lmfan01 on 09/25/06 at 11:46pm If you are doing this for the MONEY................. Then stay home Jimmy Irwin |
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Title: Re: BUD Nationals Post by ST_ODIE on 09/25/06 at 11:53pm 2Xhobby wrote on 09/25/06 at 11:46pm:
More for the Fun Winning money is Just a Extras Just don't Like to Spend So Much for Nothing... Thats all. |
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Title: Re: BUD Nationals Post by lmfan01 on 09/26/06 at 12:00am I totally understand that . Everyone seems to be worried about how much its going to cost . Its simple race or dont |
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Title: Re: BUD Nationals Post by heyyou#27 on 09/26/06 at 6:45am Hmmmm never thought about it like that... I,m not just a track packer, i'm a "entertainer"...LOL |
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Title: Re: BUD Nationals Post by imracin68j on 09/26/06 at 10:01am 2Xhobby wrote on 09/25/06 at 11:46pm:
If you think creating a realistic payout distributions has anything to do with "making money" your crazy and you've missed the point. The BN main event purse for the ss isn't bad. Its 6000. However 1st gets 25% of that and 9th gets 2% percent. Heres the actual distrbution % 1st: 25%, 2nd: 16%, 3rd: 10%, 4th: 6%, 5th: 5%, (5 times lower than 1st) 6th: 4.1%, 7th: 3.3%, 8th: 2.9% 9th: 2.5 back. (10 times lower than 1st) With the car counts in CA tracks can't afford anyone to "stay home" Money matters no matter how rich or in debt you may be. |
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Title: Re: BUD Nationals Post by outlawaaron98 on 09/26/06 at 10:37pm heyyou#27 wrote on 09/26/06 at 6:45am:
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Title: Re: BUD Nationals Post by Troy Morris Jr. on 09/27/06 at 12:28am If everyone would get past the "you don’t race for money" mentality and start expecting the track to promote for the purse and quit making our purse with back gate sales you would have more regular racers. We run a very tight schedule because we know when you show up to race you are going to pay $120.00 at the gate and another $60.00 in fuel. That is $180.00 per weekend. The tracks back east know what they are doing, they get corporate sponsors and keep the gate fees low. The advertisers pay the purse not the evening show (the race cars). With out the teams where is the sport, everyone says it is the fans who make the show, sure the definitely help but with out the cars who would they watch. Promote the track, hire an outside sales team. Make it happen, it is way to expensive to continue at this rate. I am not here to get rich, just to have a good time but don’t neglect your responsibilities as a promoter... promote it is your job! www.unrealvinyl.com |
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Title: Re: BUD Nationals Post by heyyou#27 on 09/27/06 at 6:48am outlawaaron55 wrote on 09/26/06 at 10:37pm:
ouch... |
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Title: Re: BUD Nationals Post by GRAHAM_#10 on 09/27/06 at 7:00am hell arron u have to be on the track for more then a half lap to yalk smack! LOL |
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Title: Re: BUD Nationals Post by outlawaaron98 on 09/27/06 at 8:37am GRAHAM_#10 wrote on 09/27/06 at 7:00am:
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