Post by TIM_BEWLEY on 04/27/10 at 4:47pm
ss97 wrote on 04/27/10 at 6:25am:
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just whack off the back of the car and build a rear clip like this using stock lowers. they make some nice monoballs for the lowers also.
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Saturday Night Racer
http://www.latemodelracer.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl Saturday Night Racer >> RACE TECH >> ss 3 link http://www.latemodelracer.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1272261853 Message started by ss97 on 04/25/10 at 11:04pm |
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Title: ss 3 link Post by ss97 on 04/25/10 at 11:04pm how to set up a 3 link setup |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by BakoBoyzRacing on 04/25/10 at 11:25pm is that why your car is striped to the Frame???? |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by hogracer3d on 04/25/10 at 11:37pm Who in heck would want to do that? lol |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by MikeShepherd on 04/26/10 at 10:32am In the new rules this year can you 3 link a camero clip car? |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by Smith3d on 04/26/10 at 1:39pm not yet |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by OLD SCHOOL#6 on 04/26/10 at 3:29pm MikeShepherd wrote on 04/26/10 at 10:32am:
FOR SMS -- YES YOU CAN ............. The new rules for 2010 say, OEM part of frame must measure a Minimum of “20 forward from Screw Jack and a minimum of 20” to rear of screw jack. May modify for Fuel pump, steering shaft, Radiator and shock clearance. May alter for after market upper A-arms. You can put either style rear suspension you like (leaf or coil).......... or change it from one to the other if ya' like........as long as it fits the rules for which ever style you are installing |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by hogracer3d on 04/26/10 at 6:09pm OLD SCHOOL#6 wrote on 04/26/10 at 3:29pm:
Another change to the rules that "never got changed and left them just like they were" used to be no mix and match, and coil cars had to have OEM frame to the centerline of the rear axle LOL |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by ss97 on 04/27/10 at 6:24am It does not say anything about stock rear frame any more. Does any body have a copy of the old rules |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by ss97 on 04/27/10 at 6:25am The only thing it says is you have to run stock lower arms. This is what i get from the rules. |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by ss97 on 04/27/10 at 6:27am They got screwjacks on some of the leaf cars on the rear of the spring and there is not 20 inches of frame behind them. |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by hogracer3d on 04/27/10 at 3:53pm I understood the 20" screwjack deal, to apply to the front clip. Here is Chow's, they are very close to EvW, but added the Brinn deal, and got rid of the cube limit (with added weight) http://www.racechowchilla.com/Superstocks.html |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by TIM_BEWLEY on 04/27/10 at 4:43pm hogracer3d wrote on 04/26/10 at 6:09pm:
not sure where you got that from unless it was told to you only by sandie. there is nothing in the old rules that state a coil car must have OEM frame to the center of the rear axle.??? |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by TIM_BEWLEY on 04/27/10 at 4:47pm ss97 wrote on 04/27/10 at 6:25am:
just whack off the back of the car and build a rear clip like this using stock lowers. they make some nice monoballs for the lowers also. |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by hogracer3d on 04/27/10 at 5:41pm CHASSIS AND SUSPENSION: 1. Frame must be full OEM frame rails. 2. Tube type upper adjustable A-arms allowed. 3. Control arm that supports coil spring must be stock. 4. Rear clip may be made of 2" x 3" steel tubing. Tubing must extend to the rear bumper. Rear spring mounts must be a minimum of 40" apart measured inside to inside. 5. Uni - body cars may tie in frame rails front to rear. 6. Weight jacks are allowed. No weight jacking controls allowed inside of drivers compartment. 7. Racing spring and racing shocks may be used (no coil over or coil over eliminator). Heim end type shocks OK. 8. No external reservoir shocks, no external adjustable shocks (dials, screws etc.). No aluminum body shocks allowed. 9. Rebuildable and revalveable shocks allowed. 10. Maximum four shocks allowed on car. 1 shock per wheel only. No shocks over rear end. 11. Leaf spring sliders are allowed. 12. All cars must have original type suspension. Leaf springs on Camaros, Firebirds, Novas; coil springs on Monte Carlos, Malibus, Oldsmobiles, etc. 13. No mono-leaf springs. No composite. 14. Drivers may remove floorpan, driver must be completely sealed in cockpit, driveline straps strictly enforced. 15. Adjustable lowering blocks O.K. 16. (NEW) Coil cars can run 3-Links. Solid links only. 20/20 rule. Top bar no longer than 20 inches. Bottom bar must be a minimum of 20 inches, behind rear end. Car must have had rear coils from the factory. No 3-link Camaros etc. 17. Coil cars may use adjustable upper links. Lowers must remain stock but may use multi-hole locations. Offset bolts OK. Probably here thinking that FULL means OEM all the way to the rear, but may have 2x3 rear section (for damage repair ) Perhaps for Enid,OK or Pevely,MO |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by Dirt_Track_Junkie on 04/27/10 at 5:57pm Hey Dave then I can have my 3-link torsion bar Dodge???? :o |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by propit21 on 04/27/10 at 6:19pm whats the deal with the 20/20 rule. what wrong with having 3 links in super stocks. it makes them faster which everyone wants and they are very inexpensive and easy to adjust and built. just my opion. |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by MikeShepherd on 04/27/10 at 6:55pm What's up Mitch,hasn't been the same at chow without you guys this year. I think this an issue that Chris Kerns needs to clarify,this could change the whole direction of the SS |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by hogracer3d on 04/27/10 at 6:58pm Dirt_Track_Junkie wrote on 04/27/10 at 5:57pm:
Yep, sounds like you can. |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by hogracer3d on 04/27/10 at 7:00pm propit21 wrote on 04/27/10 at 6:19pm:
The 20/20 rule makes the design more complex, depending on what you want 3-links are OK, just no j-bar, and no pull-bar |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by ss97 on 04/27/10 at 7:44pm I thought your third bar is your pull bar |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by hogracer3d on 04/27/10 at 8:04pm ss97 wrote on 04/27/10 at 7:44pm:
Yes, but on these it must be a solid bar, which is simply a swedge tube with heim ends and no bushings, springs, gas or air (non-movable) A pull bar has those bushings and such, and telescopes in and out under acceleration and braking. like this: http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=34244191 |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by propit21 on 04/27/10 at 10:02pm the rules at imperial is a 3 link, stock 4 link or leafs. we run a 3 link with a pull bar and a j bar. the j bar does not count as a link. why won't most rules allow a pull bar? seem like better traction and would make for better racing. just wondering. thanks |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by hogracer3d on 04/27/10 at 10:16pm We have a pull bar for it, and use it sometimes when rules allow us too |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by Dirt_Track_Junkie on 04/28/10 at 1:37pm MikeShepherd wrote on 04/27/10 at 6:55pm:
Hey Mike. I wish, actually all of us wish we could be there. Hopefully we will make it out in the next month or so. |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by TIM_BEWLEY on 04/28/10 at 4:41pm hogracer3d wrote on 04/27/10 at 5:41pm:
i still do not see where it says "CENTER LINE OF REAR AXLE". i guess my definition of a rear clip is different than yours. |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by hogracer3d on 04/28/10 at 6:00pm a full oem frame rail goes all the way to the rear bumper, doesn't it? I think the one which said c/l of rear axle was the EvW ones prior to the last change in 08 for the 09 to 11 rules "11.All frames MUST remain O.E.M. stock in shape and thickness and run front bumper to center of rear end." |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by TIM_BEWLEY on 04/28/10 at 9:17pm i agree that the frame goes all the way to the bumper. but there never was anything in evw even prior to '09 about center line of the rear axle. |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by hogracer3d on 04/28/10 at 9:59pm I think there was, even my nova had the stock rear rails and sub frame connectors. remember you had seen american stocks with better and more advanced suspensions than the 3d too though. Doesn't matter now though, you only have to have the front crossmember anyway |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by TIM_BEWLEY on 04/28/10 at 10:07pm ROLL CAGES: 1. All cages must be made of .095 tubing no less than 1 ½” O.D. 2. Must have a minimum of four (4) left side door bars. 3. All cages must have a diagonal bar running from top to bottom behind driver’s seat. 4. No galvanized pipe allowed. 5. All roll cages will be strictly inspected. If found unsafe the car will not race. 6. S.M.P. highly suggests 1/8” thick door bar plate on driver side. CHASSIS AND SUSPENSION: 1. Frame must be full OEM frame rails. 2. Tube type upper adjustable A-arms allowed. 3. Control arm that supports coil spring must be stock. 4. Rear clip may be made of 2”x 3” steel tubing; tubing must extend to rear bumper. Rear frame rails should be a minimum of 40” apart measured from inside to inside. 5. Uni – body cars may tie in frame rails front to rear. 6. Weight jacks are allowed. No weight jacking controls allowed inside of drivers compartment. 7. Racing spring and racing shocks may be used (no coil over or coil over eliminator). Heim end type shocks OK. 8. No external reservoir shocks, no external adjustable shocks (dials, screws etc.). No aluminum body shocks allowed. 9. Rebuildable and revalveable shocks allowed. 10. Maximum four shocks allowed on car. 1 shock per wheel only. 11. Leaf spring sliders are allowed. 12. All cars must have original type suspension. Leaf springs on Camaros, Firebirds, Novas; coil springs on Monte Carlos, Malibus, Oldsmobiles, etc. 13. No mono-leaf springs. No composite. 14. Rear firewall may be fabricated but must be height of dash panel and extend entire width of 4 point. 15. Adjustable lowering blocks O.K. found this from 1-07 |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by Smith3d on 04/28/10 at 10:11pm I just pulled this from the Santa Maria website. Notice that rule 15 is specific to COIL CARS Also, what stock lower arm came on a Camaro that you plan to use? Just the way I interpret what is written here CHASSIS AND SUSPENSION: 1. OEM American rear-wheel drive frame only. No sports car frames. OEM part of frame must measure a Minimum of “20 forward from Screw Jack and a minimum of 20” to rear of screw jack. May modify for Fuel pump, steering shaft, Radiator and shock clearance. May alter for after market upper A-arms 2. Tube type upper adjustable A-arms allowed 3. Control arm that supports coil spring must be stock 4. Rear clip may be made of 2" x 3" steel tubing. Tubing must extend to the rear bumper. Rear spring mounts must be a minimum of 40" apart measured inside to inside 5. Uni � body cars may tie in frame rails front to rear 6. Weight jacks are allowed. No weight jacking controls allowed inside of drivers compartment 7. Racing spring and racing shocks may be used (no coil over or coil over eliminator). Heim end type shocks OK 8. No external reservoir shocks, no external adjustable shocks (dials, screws etc.). No aluminum body shocks allowed 9. Rebuildable and revalveable shocks allowed 10. Maximum four shocks allowed on car. 1 shock per wheel only. No shocks over rear end 11. Leaf spring sliders are allowed 12. No composite leaf springs 13. May remove floor pan, driver must be completely sealed in cockpit, driveline straps strictly enforced 14. Adjustable lowering blocks O.K. 15. Coil cars can run 3-Links. Solid links only. 20/20 rule. Top bar no longer than 20 inches. Bottom bar must be a minimum of 20 inches, behind rear end. 16. Coil cars may use adjustable upper links. Lowers must remain stock but may use multi-hole locations. Offset bolts OK |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by Smith3d on 04/28/10 at 10:14pm Tim, I believe we were told that the "REAR CLIP" started at the center of the rear end housing and everything behind that was ok to replace with square tubing. |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by TIM_BEWLEY on 04/29/10 at 5:47pm Smith3d wrote on 04/28/10 at 10:14pm:
so do you believe that the rear clip starts at the center line of the rear end? must have been a leaf guy that told you that |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by ss97 on 04/29/10 at 8:10pm Thats what im saying a leaf guy must have said that |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by Smith3d on 04/29/10 at 8:34pm Doesn't matter what I believe, the car is built already and that is what we had to work with. I am pleased with how it came out regardless. BTW, I don't care if the camaros put on a 3 link either I was just stating how I read the rule. |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by ministocker56 on 04/29/10 at 10:06pm another rule when the class is hurting for more car's |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by OLD SCHOOL#6 on 04/30/10 at 8:17am ministocker56 wrote on 04/29/10 at 10:06pm:
Mr. Negative (i.e. - Greg), This rule opens the door for better car counts. If you (or anybody else) find a chassis that you can get a real good bargain on but it does not have the rear suspension you like, you can NOW, go ahead and take advantage of that bargain, buy the car, and put which ever rear stuff you like in it (within the rules). It does NOT, change the weight rule, it does NOT change the wheel base rule, but it DOES maintain the important part of the front clip rule. Also if you already have a car, and after running it, you decide you would like to try the other type of suspension, no problem, go ahead and do it (within the rules). This is a win-win rule change for the SS class............ |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by prochampion on 04/30/10 at 6:19pm it seems like these new rules help out the leaf spring guys mainly the victory circle cars they already have a ton of bite so what was taken from them to promote better racing cause 20 trailing arms and pull bar take away forward bite from a 3 link so unless your car is set up to change like the 3d that has every possible set up it seems like the leaf cars have alittle advantage? |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by ministocker56 on 05/01/10 at 1:07am prochampion said it , now this new rule & here it is everone has built new car's or is in the middle of building them , soo you think a guy realy want's to cut his car apart or ? to make it a 3 link , this rule here cost money to do or fix , the car count is hurting & everyone know's it & now you change the rule's , |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by ss97 on 05/01/10 at 7:11am The rules didnt just change, this is how they were written. So dont start talking negative about the class unless your involved. Does your ministock have three link ........nope. |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by Smith3d on 05/01/10 at 7:22am I just want to race against more cars!!!!!!!!! Three link, leaf, or four link. The one thing that they all have in common is......................... HOMEWORK MUST BE DONE ON TIME TO PASS THIS CLASS We struggled horribly to beat the leaf cars last year cause we got out late. The 3 link is good when it's good and BAD when it's bad |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by hogracer3d on 05/01/10 at 7:45am Smith3d wrote on 05/01/10 at 7:22am:
Do I have detention again this week? argh..... :-? |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by OLD SCHOOL#6 on 05/01/10 at 9:02am prochampion wrote on 04/30/10 at 6:19pm:
prochamp -- You need to have the old rules and the new rules to see just what was done. NOTHING was given OR taken away from either style of suspension. The only thing that was done is this rule ....12. All cars must have original type suspension. Leaf springs on Camaros, Firebirds, Novas; coil springs on Monte Carlos, Malibus, Oldsmobiles, etc No 3-link Camaros etc, was removed. This old rule is a "Hobby Stock" rule and the SS have evolved beyond a rule like this. All it does is give guys more "options". Again --- this rule change does NOT, force anyone to make any changes to his car, it just gives a guy more options when building or buying a chassis..........(or if he wants to make a change). This is a good thing for the class and I hope I have explained it to ya' well enough. ministocker56 --- The rule will not cost anyone "more" money. Come by and see me at the races tonight and I will explain it all to ya'.......................... |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by ministocker56 on 05/01/10 at 9:04am my mini don't have it you'r right but i no of a few that do or did , i may not be in the class but i no were & what these's car's started out as they were hobbie stock's at 1 time & low in be hold every you'r they cost more & the car count goes down , soo why not call them super limited late model's they look just about the same car as the late model's were back in the 80's |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by hogracer3d on 05/01/10 at 11:26am because they have virtually nothing in common with a late model, except a fabricated body, which is shorter, narrower. |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by jp80 on 05/01/10 at 2:27pm You guys can argue with 3D all you want, but time and time again I have seen him show up and clean house at the chowchilla open show... |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by BakoBoyzRacing on 05/01/10 at 8:49pm jp80 wrote on 05/01/10 at 2:27pm:
Hanford last week ;) |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by ministocker56 on 05/02/10 at 10:41am you no i was going to just let it go but ? , ok old school#6 you came up & started arguing over this stuiped rule , you have the gut's to do this in front of my friend's & most of all my family , it's kinda funny i talked to ray last night the 11 super street he told me yes he's going to take his car & make it into a 3 link car , soo you tell me how's that not cost you money |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by OLD SCHOOL#6 on 05/02/10 at 10:51am ministocker56 wrote on 05/02/10 at 10:41am:
Before the rule modification, if #11 (Ray) wanted to change his rear suspension he would have to go out and buy, or build, a WHOLE NEW CHASSIS. I would say this rule modification saved him a BUNCH of money. But I'm sure you still don't understand..... |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by ministocker56 on 05/02/10 at 11:11am it's cool you can do that but it still cost money to by the stuff to change it over , you got guy's who have'nt raced because of the new tire rule so now you make another new rule , it's kind funny or not i'd say it's not you'r only worried about the car count at sms there is other track's & with out other track's kirk there would'nt be any super street's or any kinda racing at all , at bako if 2 guy's had'nt barrowed some imca tire's they would have had only 2 car's , still after this you started that argument in fron of my family & ? that's bull ---- |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by NAIL IT WHOYA. on 05/02/10 at 12:21pm Yes it cost's money to buy the stuff to change it over BUT It cost's more to buy or build a whole new chassis just because you want to change rear suspensions. These chassis are fabricated now anyways ( floorboards are cut out, firewalls are moved, rearends are relocated to 105" wheelbase) etc. so I think it's good to give guys the choice. If somebody wants to build a coil car, or change over to a coil car, why require them to find a car that originally had coils when it was on the street? Again,, these are fabricated chassis' it doesnt matter what it was on the street.... Mini stocker, what if the 3d or any other coil car starts winning more races and dominating the class. And some of the leaf spring cars want to change over to the coils, are you saying they need to get a whole new car? |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by ministocker56 on 05/02/10 at 2:26pm no they should'nt need to but i did'nt no a camero had coil over's , actuly if this rule was just modified then you'r telling me all this time the 3d car must not of been leagule , all i'm saying is guy's have'nt raced because they can't afforid the new tire's soo now another new rule , you ak me you let these's guy's all do this , then why not run a quick change & wide five hub's , then you could call them SUPER LIMITED LATE MODEL"s because there not far from being a limited late model , |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by pitter on 05/02/10 at 2:35pm The-change the rules and the SS class will die opinion-was expressed here by "experts" not too long ago. Not changing the rules to keep up with economic conditions has nearly killed the class. Less costly tires and engines are GOOD things. Ask modified people for used tires if you need tires to race on. Buy one new for the rrear. What's next? Lower rear control arms for 3- links will be heim ended and not stock. The 20 inch panhard bar will become any lenght and shape. been there-done that-been called lots of things for doing it Mike Kelly |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by ministocker56 on 05/02/10 at 3:19pm thank you pitter |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by hogracer3d on 05/02/10 at 5:08pm (1) The 3D was originally a coil car from the factory (79 Coupe Deville) (2) the car was built new in 2005 (3) from 2005 to 8-09, it made a couple of appearances at special events at SMS and Bako, with permission of the EvW series, but only if we took a weight penalty, and ran completely stock 4-link with stock uppers and lowers, in their original stock position. The car still retained the ENTIRE OEM FRAME bumper to bumper We complied with those rules in order to run those events and only those events. (4) from 05 to 8-1-09 it had an optional 3-link engineered into it, which consisted of a j-bar and 3rd link mounts on top, which you would have likely seen us using at other open and regular events at other tracks whenever they were legal. (5) we then made EvW aware that we would attend more events if our car were closer to their rules, the series listened to our concerns and put it on the ballot for EVERYBODY to vote on. (6) we had but ONE vote on the issue, the vote to add the 3-link for factory coil cars was adapted for the 09-2011 seasons. (7)We had NOTHING to do with the 20/20 rule, that was implemented by the series rules committee. (8) The car was then cut completely apart, re-engineered and re-configured to meet the new rules, with the cooperation and APPROVAL of the EvW Tech Staff. (9) on 8-09, we rented SMS for a test, and allowed full access to the car for inspection, by the Tech Staff, promoter, and a few competitors----- THE CAR PASSED INSPECTION. (10) The car utilizes "out of the box" thinking, imagineering and fabrication. (11) team 3D has NEVER presented a car for inspection, that has not passed. It has been pre-inspected and post inspected many, many times, and never disqualified for any reason. |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by ministocker56 on 05/02/10 at 7:58pm good thank you hogracer3d |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by formercrewguy on 05/02/10 at 8:25pm hogracer3d wrote on 05/02/10 at 5:08pm:
imagineering ain't a word..........but it should be.......lol |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by OLD SCHOOL#6 on 05/02/10 at 8:30pm I kinda liked it too .................... ;D :D |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by jp80 on 05/02/10 at 9:10pm that nova would smoke em in reno also... Now coil cars have 4 bars then why not allow that? Olds, monte carlo metric chassis... |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by hogracer3d on 05/02/10 at 9:25pm Nova was a good car, Rodney still has it in the Lake Topaz area. |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by DiRtBoX4k on 05/02/10 at 9:57pm why does every ss thread turn into this? im currently building a 3 link ss and was hoping for some driver input on it...instead i get a few guys crying about rule in a class they have nothing to do with.... QUIT CRYING!!!! as far as the tires go ive got a stack of g-60 from mod guys that are in great shape...and they were free.....guys crying about the tire that arent racing are just makig excuses......there are so many big budget mod guys out there with stacks of them next to there shops.... the suspension rule is great and came about before the new tire rule..... more options saves money....and you talk about how much they change....all classes change....its called evolution.... imca mods have changed there tire and safety in the past 10-15 years and look how far they have come..... chris, hogracer and anyone else with 3 link suspension i would appreciate your input on good starting spots, i.e. bar angles, springs and shocks.....thanks jon majors |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by ministocker56 on 05/02/10 at 10:16pm that's cool dirtbox4k , i no of atleast 4 to 6 other car's who have parked them or sold them because of rule change's , actuly in fact 1 guy said sat night his car is sitting on the trailer sence last year , this class started out as a hobbie stock class in witch has 22 car's per heat race now you be lucky to have 4 to 12 car's , sms is the only place that had the most car's , guy's can't afforid tire's & or to turn there car into a 3 link , now you realy think there going to travel to other track's , like i said change the name to SUPER LIMITIED LATE MODEL's |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by NAIL IT WHOYA. on 05/02/10 at 10:30pm What about the Victory Circle SS Chassis? What determines which rear suspension they should have? there are several out there. You say that guys cannot afford to change their leaf spring cars to a coil car? No one is asking them to.... But when 3 d stars kicking their butt they may want to. but you wont let them you would force them to build a whole new car.... |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by propit21 on 05/02/10 at 10:45pm well what i have notice being from imperial valley and not having raced the west coast series is this. Every year at imperial we host the pro stock open comp race with limit rules, ( 8 inch tire, stock front clip, no alum heads or blocks, and so on.) on a aveage we see about 25 cars show up with i believe the biggest field was 40 somthing cars 2 or 3 years ago. So what am saying is that we open our pro stock rules up and and we saw a increase in car count, barona speedway did to and they have seen a large increase in cars (16 car this last race on a normal night.) The class will grow if you let racer have options on what they want to run. we allow either the dirt bozz of the mod imca tire which ever one you want to run. Rear suspension is either a 3 link, leaf, or stock style 4 link (metric) built it how you want. At our open comp event the leafs and the 3 links are not much different and couldn't tell the two about if didn't know the difference. I would like to be able to go any where in cali and race and race the west coast series but our car is not legal becase we have a three link under the car and run dirt bozz tires, But if you watch the video on you tube of our open comp race you will see guys like 04, the 3D, the 14, and more run up front. This is just my opion you may not like it and you may like it, just saying i seen this type of class grow when you give the racers options. plus it make faster cars that are more competive. Dirtbox4k if you would like info just PM me and i will get you info on our 3 link but its not legal for the west coast series. thanks |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by Meneley1 on 05/02/10 at 11:27pm I like the 3-link rule & I think they should do away with the stock lower & 20/20 rules. Also let the 3-links at least use a biscut on the upper link. I agree with the pull bar rule, but I think the rules should be opened up a little. Might just get a better car count. The leaf spring cars have proved to be the dominant cars the last several years on any kind of track surface. Give the 3-links a little more to work with. |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by Sparky56 on 05/03/10 at 6:02am Leave this rule alone. Please lock No-ah out of SS treads!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by imracin68j on 05/03/10 at 8:21am Smith3d wrote on 04/29/10 at 8:34pm:
Aren't 82 + Camaros 3 links from the factory? |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by hogracer3d on 05/03/10 at 8:26am imracin68j wrote on 05/03/10 at 8:21am:
Yep, with a torque arm, just put the unibody with the struts on the car and run em I think the car should be required to be sprung as originally equipped, leafs must be leafs, coils=coils It should be a commitment to run one or the other, not change to which ever one suites your fancy, in a weekend's work |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by OLD SCHOOL#6 on 05/03/10 at 8:47am ministocker56 wrote on 05/02/10 at 10:16pm:
Who would these guys be ?? I would like to talk to them to see if they could be talked into bringing their cars back out. ministocker56 wrote on 05/02/10 at 10:16pm:
22 cars per heat race. Not sure I have ever seen that............... |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by MikeShepherd on 05/03/10 at 8:53am wrote on 05/02/10 at 11:27pm:
Have you seen 3d? Yea let's give him more,if they let those cars runs a biscut pull bar then let the leaf runs do it also and let us float the rearends. When did this rule change? I thought the only changes made were,tire,carb,and cubic inch? Where can you find the new rules for the southern SS at? |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by propit21 on 05/03/10 at 11:04am what rules are you looking for here are a couple links to imperial valley speedway and barona speedway rules http://www.swraracing.net/Pro_Stock_Rules.html a few rules that have changed that aren't mention is the dirt bozz tire and racing trans ie falcon, brinn are allowed. http://www.baronaspeedway.com/2010rules/Pro_Stocks2010.pdf http://www.baronaspeedway.com/track-div.htm i say open the rules get cars out there that are fast and competive, it makes for better racing. |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by MikeShepherd on 05/03/10 at 11:32am The rules I was talking about were bako SMS rules but thanks,I myself thought last years rule were great and should have been left alone exept for the falcon change,I like that for selfish reasons which is what most racers do we think of what's best for us not the division, I think to many changes to often is the biggest killer of any division rules should be locked for 5 years at a time exept for safety improvements. We have new cars coming out everyweek lately and still more being built ,that would kill these guys if our track said ok this week were changing this this and this after these cars just spent there hard earned money on last weeks items it would kill a class |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by brummi5050 on 05/03/10 at 11:57am ss97 wrote on 04/25/10 at 11:04pm:
Its amazing the answers you get when asking how to set up a 3 link. Sounds like there's all kinds of guys chiming in with 3 link set ups! LOL |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by Smith3d on 05/03/10 at 2:08pm wrote on 05/02/10 at 11:27pm:
I disagree, It works fine after you figure it out and is pretty even to the leaf cars. Open it up and you will have the same amount of leaf cars that the mods do right now.....zero. It is fair the way it is |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by mighty16x on 05/03/10 at 2:17pm heres one that can be 3-linked very easily... http://www.latemodelracer.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1269490835 |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by hogracer3d on 05/03/10 at 4:48pm 59-64 Impala's are 3-link as well, but having to work with that X-frame sucks |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by propit21 on 05/03/10 at 5:17pm got a quick question whats the point behind the 20/20 rule? the bottom bars longer then 20 inches and top shorter then 20 inches. just wondering whats the point to limited the lenght? |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by hogracer3d on 05/03/10 at 5:30pm not the lower trailing arms, those are to be left stock for year make and model, the 20/20 applies to the 3rd link and the panhard bar |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by hogracer3d on 05/03/10 at 5:32pm rickshawII wrote on 05/03/10 at 2:17pm:
That would be a perfect candidate for the Crown Vic's aluminum 4-bar set up--lol |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by ministocker56 on 05/03/10 at 6:07pm cool thank's mikeshepherd , see old school you don't remember it but i do , i no a guy who you can even ask he'll tell you because he raced back then a few race when there was 20 to 22 car's in a heat race , to me i'm just saying don't change the rule a 1/4 of the season if you like to change it for next year so if anybody wanted to run the 3 link they have time to do it |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by hogracer3d on 05/03/10 at 6:17pm wcss rules: http://www.racesantamariaspeedway.com/ruleswestreetstocks.php |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by mighty16x on 05/03/10 at 7:05pm ministocker56 wrote on 05/03/10 at 6:07pm:
i think what everyone has been trying to tell you is that the rules are not changing, they were already written that way for the WCSS. only nobody noticed until the "Rath of Hog" came down on them. in my opinion, and this is only my opinion, the leaf cars had a much better chance on the Bozz tire. with less tire, comes the need for better mechanical traction. hence the adjustability of the 3-link. leaving the leaf cars in the dust. once again....JMO....i could be wrong! lol |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by OLD SCHOOL#6 on 05/03/10 at 7:16pm ministocker56 wrote on 05/03/10 at 6:07pm:
Geeez ministocker56 ---- if you spent a little more time reading and a little less time running your mouth, you would know when this rule went into effect, and you wouldn't look so silly. Here ya go, so you can catch up, read the post below. Read who posted it and the date it was posted. Chris Kearns wrote on 10/22/09 at 9:27am:
p.s. I'm still waiting for the names of those 4 to 6 guys that you know that quit because of the rule changes. I'd really like to talk to them..................... |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by OLD SCHOOL#6 on 05/03/10 at 7:23pm rickshawII wrote on 05/03/10 at 7:05pm:
I think it all remains to be seen. The winning coil car out there has only been out once (and won). We need to see a good running coil car a few more times to see if this tire change really shifted the advantage to their court. Time will tell............ |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by MikeShepherd on 05/03/10 at 7:42pm in my opinion, and this is only my opinion, the leaf cars had a much better chance on the Bozz tire. with less tire, comes the need for better mechanical traction. hence the adjustability of the 3-link. leaving the leaf cars in the dust. once again....JMO....i could be wrong! lol [/quote] I think you hit it right on the head,how many leaf mods do you see on that tire anymore? |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by Sparky56 on 05/03/10 at 7:59pm ministocker56 wrote on 05/03/10 at 6:07pm:
This is why people who don't know what they're talking about need to keep there piehole SHUT. This rule was changed 2 yrs. ago >:( Go back to the mini forum where you belong............ |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by OLD SCHOOL#6 on 05/03/10 at 8:06pm hahahaha --- Yea Sparky, I was just talking about the chassis rule modification, but your right, the 3-link rule is 2 years old.....................lol |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by mighty16x on 05/03/10 at 8:17pm MikeShepherd wrote on 05/03/10 at 7:42pm:
I think you hit it right on the head,how many leaf mods do you see on that tire anymore?[/quote] aww gee :-[ thats the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me on lmr! |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by OLD SCHOOL#6 on 05/03/10 at 8:22pm Just think --- The SS are already just as fast as a Mod --- if they got the same rear suspension as a Mod they would kick their butt ...............LOL |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by hogracer3d on 05/03/10 at 8:22pm You dont really see any "A" mods on a 3 links as simple as ours. With a solid upper, stock lowers, and no J-bar |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by propit21 on 05/03/10 at 8:44pm so if we wanted to race the memorial day weekend show at santa maria the $3000 to win we couldn't because we have a camero front clip with a fab chassis and a three link with a pull bar and j-bar. whats even crazier is that imperial turkey classic open comp race, a lot of the cars that are racing at the west coast series and at the memorial day weekend race will race the open comp race and be very competive or even beat us on leaf springs. just a thought.... wish we could race else were with a pretty much similar car. |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by TIM_BEWLEY on 05/03/10 at 9:06pm hogracer3d wrote on 05/02/10 at 5:08pm:
and your point is? |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by TIM_BEWLEY on 05/03/10 at 9:09pm propit21 wrote on 05/03/10 at 8:44pm:
all you have to do is put a 20" soild top link and a 20" soild pan hard bar on and you can race. |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by TIM_BEWLEY on 05/03/10 at 9:13pm ss97 wrote on 04/25/10 at 11:04pm:
this is for a chevelle clip mod but maybe it will help RIDE HEIGHTS-(NEW CHEVELLE FRONT CLIP): LF: 7 7/8" to 8" from ground to center line of lower A-Frame bolt RF: 7 7/8" to 8" from ground to center line of lower A-Frame bolt LR: Will be set by amount of wedge RR: 2 3/4" top of lower underslung to bottom of axle tube for under rail RR: 12 3/4" from bottom of top frame to top of axle tube for over rail SPRINGS: 3-LINK: LF: 600 ----- RF: 650 LR: 250 ----- RR: 175 SHOCKS: LF: 75 ----- RF: 75 LR: 6-2 ------ RR: 94 SLICK TRACK SHOCKS: LF: 5-3 ----- RF: 3-5 LR: 8-2 ----- RR: 3-5 BITE: 3-LINK: 100 LBS ------ LEFT SIDE: 52.5% ------ REAR: 57% * Based on 15 gallons of fuel and no driv Pinion Angle - 7 Degrees REAREND LOCATION: 3-LINK: Lower Trailing Arms 15" Center-to-Center * Lead Right Rear Back 1/4" FRONT END ALLIGNMENT: CASTER: ----- CAMBER: LF: 2+ ----- LF: 2+ RF: 4+ ----- RF: 3 1/2 - TOE: 1/4 to 3/8 out 3-LINK FRAME MOUNTING LOCATION: LR: 4th hole up RR: 4th hole up REAREND HOUSING WIDTH: 60" Centered WHEEL OFF-SETS: LF: 2" ----- RF: 2" LR: 2" ----- RR: 3" (Increase RR to 4" off-set in extreme smooth and slick applications) TUNING WITH REAR SHOCKS ON 3-LINK SUSPENSION: FOR 3-LINK: * Left rear shock in front when more drive is desired and right rear shock behind when car needs to be tighter on entry. * Left rear shock increase compression on slick race tracks * 90/10 shock should be used with all pullbar applications RECOMMENDED TIRE AIR PRESSURE: LF: 10 lbs ----- RF: 12 lbs LR: 8 lbs ----- RR: 12 lbs Afco 20032-1 for the uppers Afco 20036 or 20038-1 for the lowers I'm not sure if these fit your control arms but these are the taller ones. k6136 and k6117 those will fit the a frames and are the tall ones Call QA1 They make anything you want. They require ZERO torque to move the ball joint and they are rebuildable. They cost the same as the Afco ones too. Cant go wrong! They REALLY free the front end up also! |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by hogracer3d on 05/03/10 at 9:14pm TIM_BEWLEY wrote on 05/03/10 at 9:06pm:
Nothing, absolutely nothing. build yours and come get some |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by TIM_BEWLEY on 05/03/10 at 9:17pm hogracer3d wrote on 05/03/10 at 9:14pm:
LOL! |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by hogracer3d on 05/03/10 at 9:20pm Dont forget this one-- lowers must remain stock but may use multi-hole locations |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by propit21 on 05/03/10 at 9:25pm the bottom links are not stock, they are hiemed swedge tube links. with adjustable brackets. thanks for the advice we will see. |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by Smith3d on 05/03/10 at 9:27pm Dave, after reading Tim's post looks like you need to order 4 springs and 3 shocks. We're all screwed up!!! Might want to get a new rearend housing, change the FT end setup, 3 new wheels..... just build a new one and hire Tim instead of Paul to build it. |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by hogracer3d on 05/03/10 at 9:32pm yea, we could have just asked instead of blowing 5 years on it |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by propit21 on 05/03/10 at 9:41pm got a question for you 3d guys i was just watching the turkey race from last year and what happened to you guys, i rember that you wheel came off. was it loose lugs or broken studs but you guys were on. just wondering?? |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by ministocker56 on 05/03/10 at 10:06pm i'll get there name's , oh wait did'nt a track just cancel this class because of low car count |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by MikeShepherd on 05/03/10 at 10:14pm ministocker56 wrote on 05/03/10 at 10:06pm:
If your talking about Hanford they cancelled a race not the class |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by ministocker56 on 05/03/10 at 10:38pm ya mike true but they cancelled this divison for this race because of low car count , let's see humm name , charlie dowdy , both breshesr's , tom grzincic , rick trimmer , rich denman , mike weigel , 1 of the shaffer car's , darrell hood , john harville , steve suchowirsky , dave bauer , mark tull , mitch caldwell , & probly a few more |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by hogracer3d on 05/03/10 at 10:42pm propit21 wrote on 05/03/10 at 9:41pm:
We had a loose LR wheel in the heat and wobbled a wheel, just put on a new wheel and tire and rattled the nuts down for the main, thought we were good. But what we think happened is that the 1st loose wheel buggered up the last few threads on each stud (next to the hub). When we tightened up the new wheel, we thought the nuts were tight, they were not, they stopped on the boogered threads as if they were tight, wheel came loose again in the main. and subsequently came off. We had nothing for the 9 car anyway, and 3 rows of blisters on the RR tire at the fuel stop. it sucked to be leading when it happened, but oh well, what to do? |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by propit21 on 05/03/10 at 10:53pm oh that sucked yeah eric evans was fast we only race a few races with that car and thats it. well can't wait for this year turkey classic |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by DaveBauerSS6 on 05/04/10 at 12:02am After considering the EvsW format and the lack of funds to build a top three 2bbl motor, I decided to park the car. After CK changed the SS rules, I purchased the Degeer metic SS. Its been a long winter doing customer cars and now I'm finished converting it to the 3 link. I'm waiting on the machine shop for the motor. Might be ready for the SM race; if not its no big deal. I choose to start with another car for several reasons. I'm not in a hurry and I believe its a good rule program and it will take more time in this economy to build a full field. PS This 415 cid motor will be about 60% cheaper than a top three 2 bbl motor. And it will be a top 3 motor. |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by heyyou#27 on 05/04/10 at 9:05am wrote on 05/02/10 at 11:27pm:
Ya do away with stock lowers, leave more out there for the hobby stock guys....lol |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by OLD SCHOOL#6 on 05/04/10 at 9:17am ministocker56 wrote on 05/03/10 at 10:38pm:
OMG --- Greg, do you see why it is so hard to have any kind of conversation or debate with you?? I asked you to supply me with the "4 to 6" drivers that you knew that had quit the SS class becuase of the new rule changes, and you give me 14 names of guys that had left the class "LONG" before the new rules went into effect. If you read post #105 above, you will see that Mr. Bauer (on your list), say's he likes the new rules and is comming back (cudos to CK). Also on your list is Mr. Griznic, which has teamed up with the Heckman car and will be back on the track soon. Is there ANY chance that you could come up with something "positive" to say about the class?? Here is an example --- "I say the class is moving in a positive direction". Here is another one -- "Looking forward to a good car count from the SS class the next time they race at SMS". Now it's your turn ----- come-on, I know you can do it........... |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by imracin68j on 05/04/10 at 12:07pm hogracer3d wrote on 05/03/10 at 8:26am:
But can't you run a camaro clip on a coil car? |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by NAIL IT WHOYA. on 05/04/10 at 12:17pm How was the Victory Circle Chassis originally equipped? Again these chassis' are fabricated, even the ones that used to be on the street, floor pans, fire walls, wheelbase shortened, upper control arms are reworked and aftermarket, Why keep a guy from changing his rear suspension just because originally when it was on the street it was a certain way? This is not a "stock" or entry level class and it's not supposed to be, The rear suspension rules are solid, allow the guys to choose. |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by hogracer3d on 05/04/10 at 12:20pm I guess you can now, but originally, the only thing that was changed was the tire, the cubes and tranny for 2010 and beyond. I believe I remember CK stating that the rules were left just as EvW had them, with the exception of the tire and the 4bbl and the brinn option. In which case there was a no mix and match coils must remain coils, leafs=leafs 16. (NEW) Coil cars can run 3-Links. Solid links only. 20/20 rule. Top bar no longer than 20 inches. Bottom bar must be a minimum of 20 inches, behind rear end. Car must have had rear coils from the factory. No 3-link Camaros etc. 17. Coil cars may use adjustable upper links. Lowers must remain stock but may use multi-hole locations. Offset bolts OK. |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by Meneley1 on 05/04/10 at 12:34pm So the rule on the bottom bar? 20" min on the lower trailing arms or 20" on the panhard bar? To me, the bottom bar is the lower trailing arm. Not very well written. |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by hogracer3d on 05/04/10 at 1:06pm no, the panhard and the upper link fall under the 20" rule, the lower trailing arms must be stock. A metric lower is about 19-3/4 (I think), our full size A body lowers are well over 20" long, but are stock and factory correct for year make and model of the chassis |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by Meneley1 on 05/04/10 at 1:14pm Sooooo, with a Camaro front clip, I can run ANY lower bar as long as it's a stock bar out of a street car? What's the difference between a stock lower & an after market lower? They both do the same dang thing. Why not just make the rule for a 20" lower trailing arm? Wouldn't they be cheaper & less work? |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by OLD SCHOOL#6 on 05/04/10 at 1:14pm hogracer3d wrote on 05/04/10 at 12:20pm:
The modification to the front clip rule and the coil=coil/leaf=leaf, came about at the same time all the other rule changes did. I just think they sorta got overlooked due to all the conversation about the tire, cubes, 4bbl, and tranny. There was also a clearification on the MSD protest wording that used to be a mess...... |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by NAIL IT WHOYA. on 05/04/10 at 1:26pm hogracer3d wrote on 05/04/10 at 1:06pm:
Got a V.I.N # on that chassis? haha jk.... |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by hogracer3d on 05/04/10 at 1:27pm We should just go mono-leaf, coil-over, rack and pinion, pull bar, quick change, 4 bar, swing arm, z-link, wide 5's, dry sump, etc.. and just call it a day |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by hogracer3d on 05/04/10 at 1:29pm NAILIT wrote on 05/04/10 at 1:26pm:
It does have the VIN stamped in it--lol |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by propit21 on 05/04/10 at 1:53pm or just come race imperial bring what you want. within reason haha |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by Perry25 on 05/04/10 at 3:26pm formercrewguy wrote on 05/02/10 at 8:25pm:
imagineering ain't a word..........but it should be.......lol[/quote] Actually Imagineering is a word that was coined in 1952 by Walt Disney. Instead of a Engineering department, Disney has an Imagineering department to design and build all of its rides. And I would say that the 3D is one awesome ride! |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by Sparky56 on 05/04/10 at 4:01pm Panhrad bar can't be any shorter than 20", pullbar can't be any longer than 20". Stock(OEM) lower control arms. I think mine are 21"or 22" center to center, '76 chevelle.......... probablee ask no-ah if this infromaishun is rite |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by TIM_BEWLEY on 05/04/10 at 4:42pm Smith3d wrote on 05/03/10 at 9:27pm:
bring it on over to bakersfield. i got a new pack of hacksaw blades, a big hammer, a long bar, a bunch of old paint brushes (to match the paint, if you want me to use rollers you have to supply them) and a arch welder. i can have it ready for ya by the last race. in 2015. |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by mighty16x on 05/04/10 at 4:59pm [/quote] bring it on over to bakersfield. i got a new pack of hacksaw blades, a big hammer, a long bar, a bunch of old paint brushes (to match the paint, if you want me to use rollers you have to supply them) and a arch welder. i can have it ready for ya by the last race. in 2015. [/quote] somebody call the cops :o i think i found the guy that robbed my garage! |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by ministocker56 on 05/04/10 at 5:54pm well kirk you wanted some name's & wow i person out of 14 humm 14 that mean's 14 car's missing , even modifing a rule at this time of the season come on , once the season start's leave the rule's alone , if i that about a modified or a super street i'd pick bying a modified because you guy's don't no how to leave the rule's alone , you'r soo worried about car count at sms what about bako , hanford , victorville , chowchilla & other track's |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by Smith3d on 05/04/10 at 6:51pm I,m happy with the PILE that I drive, so just come out and race with yours and we won't have to hear about car count anymore. Only 7 mods in Bako last week so rules are not the ONLY problem in this economy. JMO |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by OLD SCHOOL#6 on 05/04/10 at 6:56pm OK -- Greg, I have done my best to have a logical debat with you, and it seems that you are not able to understand anything I say. You seem to think the rules for the SS class have been changed sometime after the season started and it is just not true. I even gave you a link to go to, that shows when the rules were posted on this forum by the track promoter, and you are still under the false impression that something has changed since the season started. Again THERE HAVE BEEN NO RULES CHANGED OR MODIFIED SINCE THE SEASON STARTED !!! It is not likely that you will be able to understand this post either, so you have a good life, I am pretty much done with this conversation. |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by 32MORGAN on 05/04/10 at 8:49pm Smith3d wrote on 05/04/10 at 6:51pm:
i agree with ya 100 percent! |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by ministocker56 on 05/04/10 at 9:34pm humm ok but in a earlyer post you said the rule were modified hummm oh well you all have fun racing 4 or 5 or 6 car's at bako or were ever good luck to all & good luck to this class |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by sj_valley_dave on 05/05/10 at 11:43am Rich Denman did not get out of the class due to any rule changes! He sold his car when he tried to move to Tennessee. People need to get their facts straight!! I have yet to see that ONE rule has been changed since the start of the season. CK made it clear last fall what the rule changes were going to be! Man some people just don't get it Old School! |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by pitter on 05/05/10 at 1:07pm Stop this thread. |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by hogracer3d on 05/05/10 at 4:37pm The Denman SS is being worked on as we post! Coming soon to a track near you.................. |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by OLD SCHOOL#6 on 05/05/10 at 5:42pm Another SS back on the track -------------------- :) Thats great news............ :D The class is headed in a positive direction............ ;D |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by NAIL IT WHOYA. on 05/05/10 at 6:41pm Yeah and you can bet he'll be running up front too.... |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by hogracer3d on 05/05/10 at 6:49pm NAILIT wrote on 05/05/10 at 6:41pm:
lol-- you bet he will |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by Missle Motorsports on 05/05/10 at 10:49pm "Leafs" or "Coils" ? ::) |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by ss97 on 05/06/10 at 10:25am Just on here to get some pointers and some ministocker trying to stir up all kinds of $hit. I myself have had a fast ss o still do just tore it apart to install a new body and noticed it was all busted up in many spots. So i tore it all the way down to straighten it back up and repair it. I have a older metric frame and was thinking about putting it together. I love the class and will never get rid of my ss, wether theres 2 cars or 50. All of us ss drivers could afoard a few ministocks to go racing but there way to slow jmo lol |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by hogracer3d on 05/06/10 at 11:09am Missle Motorsports wrote on 05/05/10 at 10:49pm:
It had leafs when I left--lol |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by propit21 on 05/06/10 at 4:34pm looks like we are going to have to make some changes to our car if we want to run perris again. once they go with the new rules all the way. or if we want to race anywhere with the west coast series. who can i contact to explain the rules and all questions we have about them. here are a few questions. 1. can we run any stock bottom link off of any car with links and if so what are the best ones to run? 2. with the 20/20 rule thats for the top bar and the panhard bar correct? because the rules are very hard to understand. if so can the panhard bar be in front of the rearend because its not stated that it cannot be? 3. whats the deal with cast steel, 1 piston brakes? 4. rear spring mounts being 40" apart, is this for leafs or coil springs? heres one 15. Coil cars can run 3-Links. Solid links only. 20/20 rule. Top bar no longer than 20 inches. Bottom bar must be a minimum of 20 inches, behind rear end. 16. Coil cars may use adjustable upper links. Lowers must remain stock but may use multi-hole locations. Offset bolts OK so is it solid links or adjustable links only, wouldn't a pull bar be a adjustable upper link???? i might be dumb or just don't understand all of these rules but like i said if we want to race anywhere else with our car we got to figure something out. |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by imracin68j on 05/10/10 at 8:48am What don't you understand? Anything you mount on the top can be a heim style, solid links 2 or 1. Anything on the lower is stock links but may use multiple hole locations. How much simpler could you write it. |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by Ryan D. on 05/10/10 at 8:27pm ministocker56 wrote on 05/03/10 at 10:38pm:
Half those people on your list havent raced for like 5+ years.3/4 quarters of them never even raced East vs West.When was the last time Mark Tull ran a Street Stock, 1999? Dude its 2010. |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by propit21 on 05/10/10 at 9:05pm i do understand it but it states solid links only, then its state adjustable links ok. so its stating that the lenght can be change but not long then 20" long. like i said i may be trying to pick this apart a little but its because we would like to race our car in some of these races but its not legal the way it is. so thats why am asking questions. 3 links mean that there are three point of contact on the rear end that connects to the chassis. so it you are counting the panhard bar the two trailing arms and the upper link thats 4 links. most rules don't count the panhard or j bar arms as links but the rule states bottom links which isn't really clear on what the bottom link is. and what is the point of it being behind the rear end. just to get an answer, why most three link be stock links but you can run aftermarket leaf springs and sliders? |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by ministocker56 on 05/10/10 at 10:16pm ryan d , ya it has been that long or longer , but the fact is they quit racing because the rule's changing , changing a rule or rule's cost money , i remember talking to charlie dowdy & he could'nt afforid it & try keep up with the faster car's & the fab chassis's being made , all or alot of these's guy's quit because they could'nt afforid to by a fab chassis or the money to keep up with the rule change's , it's just like propit21 say's the only car's alound to run a 3 link at there track is the coil car's |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by hogracer3d on 05/10/10 at 10:40pm Pro, they don't count the panhard bar as a link, but they don't allow a j-bar (that is what we had last year, and had to change it). On a 3-link, they count the upper link and the lower trailing arms as the 3- links (lower trailing arms must be stock). The top link can be adjustable (heims and swedge tubes) but must be locked down and not a pull bar (it must remain solid while racing) The top links of the 4-link (2 of them) mimic the stock 4-link stock configuration, and has no panhard bar or j-bar (which we can put in if need be, or some other rules require) The 20/20 rule does not apply to the lower trailing arms (as they are to be stock), it applies to upper 3rd link and the panhard bar Our car used to be able to use the stock upper links for the 4-link in (because it was built a Missouri sportsman) and that was a rule requirement, but now in the last update we did we changed the mounts to the heim and adjustable swedge tube 4-link uppers |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by propit21 on 05/11/10 at 9:43am thank you for the explanation. i understand the rules its just a little confussing on the wording calling a panhard bar a bottom link if you get what am saying. also saying because you have heim it makes it adjustable link is confussing as well because there is not much adjustment except a inch or two of lenght. like i said it kinda sucks because we have raced with alot of you guys at our home track and alot of you guys are very very competive, and the way the rules are for the west coast series we can race with you guys at other tracks because we run swedge tube trailing arms and a j bar and pull bar. we in reality our car is no more of advange then any other super stock/street stock/or pro stock out there. Again whats the purpose of the the 20 inch upper link and panhard bar why is it that amount? Also like i said does it make sense that coil cars have to run stock trailing arms and i believe its states stock coils as well, i may be wrong but leaf spring cars can run aftermarket racing leafs and sliders which are not stock? |
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Title: Re: ss 3 link Post by BakoBoyzRacing on 05/11/10 at 9:48pm hogracer3d wrote on 05/05/10 at 4:37pm:
is it the #13D car |
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