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Message started by SportModTodd on 12/23/10 at 1:14pm

Title: Sport Mods at Ocean
Post by SportModTodd on 12/23/10 at 1:14pm

Any chance they will run sport mods at ocean?

Title: Re: Sport Mods at Ocean
Post by Garlic Bronco on 01/28/11 at 1:55am

more then likely not, the promoter hates the regular mods and "stock cars" hes trying to kill them off and go all open wheel and sprint car
:-X

Title: Re: Sport Mods at Ocean
Post by RoyBoy54 on 01/28/11 at 1:14pm

I don't believe the last statement! I 've raced there at their Pettit race the last couple years and to be quite honest they put on a fair and honest program. Not to mention the Modifieds run very well on that track. 1JR

Title: Re: Sport Mods at Ocean
Post by Hitman on 09/08/11 at 11:51pm

HAHA people thought this Charlie Sheen guy was crazy for asking and it happened! LMAO ;D

Title: Re: Sport Mods at Ocean
Post by Garlic Bronco on 09/22/11 at 9:51pm

jp said a few weeks ago that there will be sport mods next season any where from 8-12 shows

Title: Re: Sport Mods at Ocean
Post by sportmod1 on 09/23/11 at 7:54am

Does any body know what the rules well be I sure hope he go with the 9.1comp. rule at least and maybe the stander 3link with biscket bar and panhard bar. Just to get it started

Title: Re: Sport Mods at Ocean
Post by PBR Allstar on 09/27/11 at 9:39pm

I heard it was going to be IMCA NSM rules which are 3 link with solid links, and 9:1 2bbl or sealed 602 with a 4bbl carb.

Title: Re: Sport Mods at Ocean
Post by sportmod1 on 09/28/11 at 8:38am

Well I know JP is really busy right now but it would be nice to put up the rules ASAP.

Title: Re: Sport Mods at Ocean
Post by crazy2020 on 09/29/11 at 7:42am

IMCA NSM rules

Title: Re: Sport Mods at Ocean
Post by AW10 on 09/30/11 at 8:18pm

Well someones wish has come true!

Title: Re: Sport Mods at Ocean
Post by fandreyracing on 10/03/11 at 11:41am

they should follow rules from chowchilla and we can run there 2 i wont change my car just 2 run there and im sure others wont eather if u get the rules the same the class will grow :)

Title: Re: Sport Mods at Ocean
Post by Festus on 10/03/11 at 8:40pm

Then they will have to run Bakersfield rules too.

Title: Re: Sport Mods at Ocean
Post by fandreyracing on 10/04/11 at 8:50am

no bakersfield just needs to change there compression rule to match ours

Title: Re: Sport Mods at Ocean
Post by Bap33 on 10/04/11 at 4:38pm

lol

Title: Re: Sport Mods at Ocean
Post by Mike C on 10/04/11 at 6:35pm

There is already a national set of rules for a Sport Mod. Obviously they work or Sport Mods wouldn't be the fastest growing class in racing. Why would you want to mess with that?
The old " it aint broke but lets fix it anyway!"

Title: Re: Sport Mods at Ocean
Post by Festus on 10/04/11 at 9:56pm

People - Bap33 is "laughing out loud" because if a track has a sanctioning body such as IMCA; we would not be having this discussion. I have not changed my mind, but during this yellow, we might want to rethink this.
Mike C: are the national rules you speak of IMCA?

Title: Re: Sport Mods at Ocean
Post by Bap33 on 10/05/11 at 8:12am

Festus,
You are correct, but to be honest, my lol was more about folks unwilling to change their cars to meet a set of rules ... then suggesting that other folks change their cars to meet a set of rules .... and I figured the poster was kidding, since those two points made by him contradict so obviously - that they had to be made in jest.

One could look at these current track specific rules this way: These rules reflect the IMCA mod class after it had been "adjusted" over a 10 to 15 year span .. lets say circa 2001 or so ... and by that time the "cat was out of the bag", so to speak, and was getting expensive. THe better traction was allowing/requiring for more power and better parts for engines and trannys to live. So, maybe, what I am suggesting is for this move to a less expensive class be taken advantage of, and the traction, power, and expense of operation, be taken back to the place were the class was most accessible to more racers accross the board.

Sanctioned by IMCA is the better way for the racers to enjoy their hobby, and that "should" make it better for everyone - fans, tracks, sponsors, wives, today's racers, and tomorrow's racers.

But, the central valley economy is really, really, bad. Really bad. Only wealthy racers don't feel or see it. And the demographic that does this hobby is shrinking as a percentage of California. And disposable income is at an all-time low ... like, 1929-31 low ... but, midgets were still racing all over at that time, so maybe the right kind of racing will gain the market share and carry us through?

Title: Re: Sport Mods at Ocean
Post by Mike C on 10/05/11 at 4:26pm

Festus, yes I'm talking about IMCA rules, weather you use the sanction or not. The sanction is great for the extra insurance. If you ever get hurt at a non- sanctioned track and spent any time in a hospital don't expect any help from the track insurance. Been there.
But, at least use the rules and stick to them.( Although it won't happen, someone with some influence will get them changed anyway)
Also it would be great for local racers to go to the IMCA Nationals and compete without having to change a bunch of stuff on the cars. JMO.

Title: Re: Sport Mods at Ocean
Post by Hitman on 10/06/11 at 10:17pm

Instead of changing rules to "fit" Chow cars........the chow cars should change to fit the IMCA NSM rules. If everybody ran these rules IMCA or not this whole thing would be a none issue. IMCA rules address the suspension differences and the compression /engine differences that Bako/ Chow have. Ive also got a feeling that Ocean will pay more than 30 to win the main event. This class will die if everybody does not get on the same page for rules. At least make them close enough that the changes can be made quickly and cheaply to run both places.

Title: Re: Sport Mods at Ocean
Post by fandreyracing on 10/07/11 at 8:50am

im just sayin it would be better for the people who already have car built for chowchilla because if we have to build new motors when we already have them its makes more sense to change a compression rule and try to get all tracks on the same page chowchilla has had more than 20 new cars out at different time this season so hopefully they will race somewhere :)

Title: Re: Sport Mods at Ocean
Post by The XFactor on 10/19/11 at 2:12pm

Chow should have put a little more thought into their rules package.

From Ocean's perspective, we are trying to salvage the equipment from a dying Hobby Stock class and instead of making super streets (yawn) we make Sports Mods which IMCA has already had in place but using the Hobby engines we all have. The prices are almost exact for a Sports Mod vs a Hobby which is the goal here for progression of the "middle" series.

Simple.

Title: Re: Sport Mods at Ocean
Post by sportmod1 on 10/21/11 at 7:56am

ANY WORD ON RULES FOR SPORTMODS.

IMCA 9.1 NSM 3link :)

Title: Re: Sport Mods at Ocean
Post by crazy2020 on 10/21/11 at 10:25am

It will be the IMCA rule package nsm

Title: Re: Sport Mods at Ocean
Post by XFactordx on 10/21/11 at 11:19am

What he said :).

Although the engine compression might be increased to compensate for American Stock equipment. ;D

Title: Re: Sport Mods at Ocean
Post by sportmod1 on 10/21/11 at 12:15pm

Sounds good

But if they were to raise comp. rule mides well run chow rules :-?

Title: Re: Sport Mods at Ocean
Post by XFactordx on 10/21/11 at 12:33pm

Don't feel like dumping 8 new pistons into an engine that is already good to go. We aren't running asphalt, don't need 11.5:1. Might as well run an A-Mod.

Title: Re: Sport Mods at Ocean
Post by Missle Motorsports on 10/21/11 at 2:18pm

Matt, big Difference between an 11.5:1 Gas Motor,& a 13:1+ ALKY ;)

Title: Re: Sport Mods at Ocean
Post by XFactordx on 10/21/11 at 4:08pm

It's all about interchangeability and being cost effective 8-)

Title: Re: Sport Mods at Ocean
Post by speakfordadead on 11/02/11 at 11:13pm

Cost effective??? WWHAT??? :-?

Compression rule for American stock's at Ocean is more than sufficient for 2bbl carbs and a thousand+ pound lighter car. Communication between promoters is the key. They should have their own "Promoter's" banquet and have a few drinks while they hash out some standards for ALL classes they can live by. (Sounds a little like NASCAR in the old days). Jus' sayin' 8-)

Title: Re: Sport Mods at Ocean
Post by bluebyu on 11/07/11 at 8:36am

XFactordx wrote on 10/21/11 at 12:33pm:

Don't feel like dumping 8 new pistons into an engine that is already good to go. We aren't running asphalt, don't need 11.5:1. Might as well run an A-Mod.

Before you do that you might want to get a Ocean LM their cheaper than an A Mod and dont get crashed near as much.

Title: Re: Sport Mods at Ocean
Post by Missle Motorsports on 11/07/11 at 9:40am

" and dont get crashed near as much. " :D
could that be because the OLM have 1/3 the car count & 1/2 as many Races as the "A"mods? ;)

Title: Re: Sport Mods at Ocean
Post by bluebyu on 11/07/11 at 2:27pm

No, it's because we have more tire and less motor so more controllable. 1/3??? lets just see what this class does to the 15 car Mod average at Ocean. Lates averaged 10 cars.

Title: Re: Sport Mods at Ocean
Post by XFactordx on 11/07/11 at 2:38pm

When the IMCA perk disappeared so did the cars. The same thing will happen if sport mods don't go IMCA, but there isn't much that can be done about that.

The problem was half-solved with the crate engine "disappearing" on the OLMs. They need engine power to turn those fat wheels that have so much grip. No power = push mode.

Here's hoping for a decent year for all classes 8-)

Title: Re: Sport Mods at Ocean
Post by bluebyu on 11/08/11 at 9:12am

I dont know why they got rid of IMCA but its still the same rules less the claim.
You ever see Clay pushing maybe just to the front. lol

Title: Re: Sport Mods at Ocean
Post by speakfordadead on 11/08/11 at 9:14am

Matt, you won't have to buy slugs.... camel humps and a .053 gasket will drop your compression sufficiently.

Title: Re: Sport Mods at Ocean
Post by XFactordx on 11/08/11 at 2:18pm

I don't see Clay dumping Sport Mod expenses into it either lol. Maybe 4x or 5x?

And he dumped it for the money, plain and simple.

I'm hoping so Jeanne. I'd really like to have IMCA back though. Regional racing is far more worth the effort. But that's just the "why is my class called 5 different things within 200 miles?" talking :)

Title: Re: Sport Mods at Ocean
Post by Garlic Bronco on 11/10/11 at 1:54pm

XFactordx wrote on 11/08/11 at 2:18pm:

you really have no idea what your talking about do you?

when you have 2 rides open up in a higher division, you go...

Title: Re: Sport Mods at Ocean
Post by XFactordx on 11/10/11 at 2:34pm

You probably misunderstood. That was pointed towards Ocean dropping IMCA.

Title: Re: Sport Mods at Ocean
Post by CaliforniaPickle14B on 11/15/11 at 12:27am

Well as you all know by now hanford bako and ocean are all saying IMCA NSM Ruling i feel it a good idea to follow IMCA ruling even if you dont want to be a IMCA track here what i posted on the sport mod form

Re: vegas sport mods
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Im working on changing mine over from a CHOW sport mod to a northern imca sport mod. but need to see what merced and chow is going to do for rules, cause those are my local tracks and if there not going to be close to those rules then what the use. was talking with a buddie of mine and were think if tracks dont want to be called a IMCA track, then they need to follow there rule some,

Heres what we came up with follow all NORTHEN IMCA RULE EXCEPT

1 ENGINE RULE 360 dish or flat top Maximum compression ratio is 9.0 to 1, no tolerance just be able to run any intake NO CLAIMING But if track dont tech what the use

1 this would keep the cost down, 2 put everyone the big guy and the little guy on the same page 3 if IMCA Sport Mods come from other tracks they wouldn't be out motored, or suspension wouldn't out do there cars.

FEEDBACK would be nice

and just to say something about hobby stock i think most that have been running in the last few years has been out of the rules with chows ruling of add weight for bigger motor has had alot to do with hobbies being out priced or not being fun no more hobby to me now of days is a open comp class, run what u brung

build a IMCA NSM and have fun and not lose you A$$

Title: Re: Sport Mods at Ocean
Post by the foot 12 on 11/15/11 at 11:38am

i know of two cars being built in yuba city ca to go race northern sports mods we have to travel south every race at least 3plus hrs to race but its werth it to race a equal racing class and a chance to win i would like some tracks in northern ca to go with this class soon

Title: Re: Sport Mods at Ocean
Post by CaliforniaPickle14B on 11/15/11 at 8:37pm

the foot 12 wrote on 11/15/11 at 11:38am:

ya and see if they dont do something to enforce the rules or make all track pretty equal you wouldnt come to run with us best bet would be to stay home

Title: Re: Sport Mods at Ocean
Post by the foot 12 on 11/16/11 at 6:15pm

yea i would make the trip rt by a track if i dont have a chance to win because of a set of rules lets at least get in sink with all the motor compression rules thats really my only concern. all the tracks should just run imca rules and enforce them then a guy can run anywhere jmo

Title: Re: Sport Mods at Ocean
Post by CaliforniaPickle14B on 11/16/11 at 6:40pm

the foot 12 wrote on 11/16/11 at 6:15pm:

yup all the guy that came from bako to race at chow for our big money races just whipped our a$s so it not worse it if you our powered IMCA ruling would ply into my favor with a small motor and being within the ruling so im going to keep pushing the issue to go IMCA lol