Post by Kdawg33A on 06/06/08 at 3:25pm
imracin68j wrote on 06/05/08 at 6:13pm:
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Looks like Paul Sr w/Cancer or something
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Saturday Night Racer
http://www.latemodelracer.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl Saturday Night Racer >> SNR LOUNGE >> Re: It's official... http://www.latemodelracer.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1212714833 Message started by formercrewguy on 06/05/08 at 6:35pm |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by formercrewguy on 06/05/08 at 6:35pm ONCE again Billy........... President Bush lied about Weapons of Mass Destruction Why Did These Liberals Lie About Weapons of Mass Destruction? By John Lillpop Friday, May 23, 2008 As the war in Iraq becomes more unpopular with an increasing number of Americans, Democrats in collusion with the liberal mainstream media, continue to politicize the war by blatantly distorting the facts. For example, a popular refrain is that President Bush lied about Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD) in order to implement a grand strategy fashioned by neo-conservatives well before Bush actually took office. Said strategy was supposedly aimed at using military force to install democratic regimes friendly to the U.S. throughout the Middle East. However, the left has never adequately answered the following question. If Bush knew there was no WMD, why would he send 150,000 troops into Iraq since his “lie” would be immediately exposed by invading coalition forces and reported by a large contingent of media embedded within those forces? Liberals also choose to ignore United Nations Resolution 144I, which clearly established that Iraq had WMD. That resolution was approved unanimously by the UN member nations. Besides the illogic in claiming that President Bush lied about WMD, the liberal argument is discredited by comments by Democrats themselves in the years and months leading up to the 2003 invasion. Herewith a substantial collection of quotes from responsible professionals about Saddam Hussein and WMD in Iraq: “[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."—From a letter signed by Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, & John Kerry among others on October 9, 1998 “This December will mark three years since United Nations inspectors last visited Iraq. There is no doubt that since that time, Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to refine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of an illicit missile program to develop longer- range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."—From a December 6, 2001 letter signed by Bob Graham, Joe Lieberman, Harold Ford, & Tom Lantos, among others “Whereas Iraq has consistently breached its cease-fire agreement between Iraq and the United States, entered into on March 3, 1991, by failing to dismantle its weapons of mass destruction program, and refusing to permit monitoring and verification by United Nations inspections; Whereas Iraq has developed weapons of mass destruction, including chemical and biological capabilities, and has made positive progress toward developing nuclear weapons capabilities"—From a joint resolution submitted by Tom Harkin and Arlen Specter on July 18, 2002 “Saddam’s goal … is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed."—Madeline Albright, 1998 “(Saddam) will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and some day, some way, I am certain he will use that arsenal again, as he has 10 times since 1983"—National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, Feb 18, 1998 “Iraq made commitments after the Gulf War to completely dismantle all weapons of mass destruction, and unfortunately, Iraq has not lived up to its agreement."—Barbara Boxer, November 8, 2002 “The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retained some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capability. Intelligence reports also indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons, but has not yet achieved nuclear capability."—Robert Byrd, October 2002 “There’s no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat… Yes, he has chemical and biological weapons. He’s had those for a long time. But the United States right now is on a very much different defensive posture than we were before September 11th of 2001… He is, as far as we know, actively pursuing nuclear capabilities, though he doesn’t have nuclear warheads yet. If he were to acquire nuclear weapons, I think our friends in the region would face greatly increased risks as would we."—Wesley Clark on September 26, 2002 “What is at stake is how to answer the potential threat Iraq represents with the risk of proliferation of WMD. Baghdad’s regime did use such weapons in the past. Today, a number of evidences may lead to think that, over the past four years, in the absence of international inspectors, this country has continued armament programs."—Jacques Chirac, October 16, 2002 “The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow."—Bill Clinton in 1998 “In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security."—Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002 “I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons...I saw evidence back in 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those trucks out."—Clinton’s Secretary of Defense William Cohen in April of 2003 “Iraq is not the only nation in the world to possess weapons of mass destruction, but it is the only nation with a leader who has used them against his own people."—Tom Daschle in 1998 “Saddam Hussein’s regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal."—John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002 “The debate over Iraq is not about politics. It is about national security. It should be clear that our national security requires Congress to send a clear message to Iraq and the world: America is united in its determination to eliminate forever the threat of Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction."—John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002 “I share the administration’s goals in dealing with Iraq and its weapons of mass destruction."—Dick Gephardt in September of 2002 “Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to weapons of mass destruction. Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."—Al Gore, 2002 “We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."—Bob Graham, December 2002 “Saddam Hussein is not the only deranged dictator who is willing to deprive his people in order to acquire weapons of mass destruction."—Jim Jeffords, October 8, 2002 “We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."—Ted Kennedy, September 27, 2002 “There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein’s regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed."—Ted Kennedy, Sept 27, 2002 “I will be voting to give the president of the United States the authority to use force - if necessary - to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."—John F. Kerry, Oct 2002 “The threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but as I said, it is not new. It has been with us since the end of that war, and particularly in the last 4 years we know after Operation Desert Fox failed to force him to reaccept them, that he has continued to build those weapons. He has had a free hand for 4 years to reconstitute these weapons, allowing the world, during the interval, to lose the focus we had on weapons of mass destruction and the issue of proliferation."—John Kerry, October 9, 2002 “(W)e need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime. We all know the litany of his offenses. He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. ...And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. That is why the world, through the United Nations Security Council, has spoken with one voice, demanding that Iraq disclose its weapons programs and disarm. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but it is not new. It has been with us since the end of the Persian Gulf War."—John Kerry, Jan 23, 2003 “We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandates of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."—Carl Levin, Sept 19, 2002 “Every day Saddam remains in power with chemical weapons, biological weapons, and the development of nuclear weapons is a day of danger for the United States."—Joe Lieberman, August, 2002 “Over the years, Iraq has worked to develop nuclear, chemical and biological weapons. During 1991 - 1994, despite Iraq’s denials, United Nations inspectors discovered and dismantled a large network of nuclear facilities that Iraq was using to develop nuclear weapons. Various reports indicate that Iraq is still actively pursuing nuclear weapons capability. There is no reason to think otherwise. Beyond nuclear weapons, Iraq has actively pursued biological and chemical weapons. Inspectors have said that Iraq’s claims about biological weapons is neither credible nor verifiable. In 1986, Iraq used chemical weapons against Iran, and later, against its own Kurdish population. While weapons inspections have been successful in the past, there have been no inspections since the end of 1998. There can be no doubt that Iraq has continued to pursue its goal of obtaining weapons of mass destruction."—Patty Murray, October 9, 2002 “As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."—Nancy Pelosi, December 16, 1998 “Even today, Iraq is not nearly disarmed. Based on highly credible intelligence, UNSCOM [the U.N. weapons inspectors] suspects that Iraq still has biological agents like anthrax, botulinum toxin, and clostridium perfringens in sufficient quantity to fill several dozen bombs and ballistic missile warheads, as well as the means to continue manufacturing these deadly agents. Iraq probably retains several tons of the highly toxic VX substance, as well as sarin nerve gas and mustard gas. This agent is stored in artillery shells, bombs, and ballistic missile warheads. And Iraq retains significant dual-use industrial infrastructure that can be used to rapidly reconstitute large-scale chemical weapons production."—Ex-Un Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter in 1998 “There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years. And that may happen sooner if he can obtain access to enriched uranium from foreign sources—something that is not that difficult in the current world. We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."—John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002 “Saddam’s existing biological and chemical weapons capabilities pose a very real threat to America, now. Saddam has used chemical weapons before, both against Iraq’s enemies and against his own people. He is working to develop delivery systems like missiles and unmanned aerial vehicles that could bring these deadly weapons against U.S. forces and U.S. facilities in the Middle East."—John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002 “Whether one agrees or disagrees with the Administration’s policy towards Iraq, I don’t think there can be any question about Saddam’s conduct. He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do. He lies and cheats; he snubs the mandate and authority of international weapons inspectors; and he games the system to keep buying time against enforcement of the just and legitimate demands of the United Nations, the Security Council, the United States and our allies. Those are simply the facts."—Henry Waxman, Oct 10, 2002. As the record clearly shows, if G.W. Bush lied about WMD, he was joined by most, if not all, prominent Democrats at the time. |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by ERIC LONG BOOK OLDES on 06/05/08 at 7:09pm Ok everyone is at fault and that can't be change!but he can get off his ass and do something about it now! Now lets get it cleaned up and get our own country back on track. |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by imracin68j on 06/05/08 at 9:06pm http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2008/06/05/BL2008060501746.html |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by mudslinger47 on 06/05/08 at 9:25pm I swear, Billy, if brains were dynamite, you couldn't blow your nose!!!!! Duane At least Google the lefty's name before you bother with that bilige. |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by ibracing on 06/06/08 at 6:12am mudslinger47 wrote on 06/05/08 at 9:25pm:
Gosh thats funny...Your killing me ..ROFLMAO |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by imracin68j on 06/06/08 at 9:15am I forgot we're only allowed to use internet spam as our source. lol OMG Duanne, you are the LAST person who should be bagging on sources.. lol Why is the major aspect of this thread being overlooked. The picture is a dead ringer for Cap'n Kirk? lol That is an untouched photo. Hey Duanne, the job growth rate you were braggin about a while back when you said the economy wasn't all that bad.. Hot off CNN. Jobless spike deepens economic pain A spike in the unemployment rate -- the biggest in more than two decades - raised new concerns today that a weak labor outlook, high oil prices and continuing woes in the housing and credit markets are leading the U.S. economy into a recession. CNNMoney.com reports the jobless rate hit 5.5 percent in May -- much higher than economists had forecast. FTR: Trickle down economics, which the US is engaging in now, doesn't work.... What a mess... |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by TALON75 on 06/06/08 at 10:20am that's not the capt'n , unless he knows the words to "Elvira" . |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by FASTMIKE on 06/06/08 at 10:24am i will only say to watch what "TAX RAISING ECONOMIC" does to this country IF you win........because then YOUR party will have complete control to have it their way.....if it happens the "divide" you talk about will grow too large to measure.....jmo peace.....................................mike |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by imracin68j on 06/06/08 at 12:24pm Trickle down economics loads up the top to the point where they are so loaded they trickle down a few jobs. Basically, it's a tactic to increase the gap between the rich and the poor. It's been the way the country has been ran the last 8 years. Not to mention the war in Iraq which continues to make people weary. I read a report a while back that said if we pulled out you would see an immediate swing upward in the economy. With the money being spent in Iraq we could have subsidized oil a little to help the American people. Mike, what's your take on Iraq? A key issue in the upcomming election? |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by FASTMIKE on 06/06/08 at 1:35pm you dont want my take on it, it will just start ANOTHER war.....between you and I LOL j/k. the real issue in our government is ACCOUNTABILITY IN SPENDING MORE THAN WE TAKE IN.......at least for me...... hence why i run my operation the way i do and have set myself, my new wife, my kids and some of my employees up for THEIR future when i saw the opportunity and had the ability to do so, instead of living a life of "LUXURY and SELF INDULGENCE" I guess you might say my time in "PUBLIC HOUSING" as a child has had a PROFOUND affect on how i spend money on myself..... peace.............................................mike p.s. i dont think osama or mccain is the answer and am embarassed for this country that they are what we say to the world are our "BEST CANIDATES" to run our country....... |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by Kdawg33A on 06/06/08 at 1:38pm FASTMIKE wrote on 06/06/08 at 1:35pm:
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by Kdawg33A on 06/06/08 at 3:25pm imracin68j wrote on 06/05/08 at 6:13pm:
Looks like Paul Sr w/Cancer or something
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by fromthegrandstands on 06/06/08 at 3:31pm I thought it looked like Joe Bonsall from the Oak Ridge Boys, but I haven't seen him in a few years... I remember him more like this (The guy on the right) 
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by FASTMIKE on 06/06/08 at 7:10pm wrote on 06/06/08 at 1:38pm:
kdawg, thanks for the affirmation.... peace.................................................mike |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by mudslinger47 on 06/06/08 at 7:49pm imracin68j wrote on 06/06/08 at 9:15am:
You want a name of a good Dr. to get Kirk's boot out of your azz after he catches up to ya? CNN---------doesn't even deserve a response. Duane |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by OLD SCHOOL#6 on 06/06/08 at 9:30pm mudslinger47 wrote on 06/06/08 at 7:49pm:
Hahahahahahahaha |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by dscEvents on 06/06/08 at 9:42pm mudslinger47 wrote on 06/06/08 at 7:49pm:
Is this the same CNN you quoted so liberally on your "Dems, defend this" post. LOL!! dsc |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by Kdawg33A on 06/06/08 at 10:02pm formercrewguy wrote on 06/05/08 at 6:35pm:
We cannot say with certainty whether Mr. Bush lied about Iraq. But when the president withholds vital information from the public — or leads them to believe things that he knows are not true — to justify the invasion of another country, that is bad enough. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/06/opinion/06fri1.html?pagewanted=1&ei=5124&en=dccfc810d92afd33&ex=1370404800&partner=digg&exprod=digg |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by imracin68j on 06/06/08 at 10:03pm You're right Duanne, if someone put a pic up saying I was shaking hands with Bush, I'd be a little ticked off. It was a low blow.. |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by mudslinger47 on 06/06/08 at 10:18pm dscEvents wrote on 06/06/08 at 9:42pm:
You know how lazy I am, that was a cut and paste, you gotta know that I wouldn't type that much for anyone. I can't help where those folks got there info, I have little control over them. LOL Duane |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by formercrewguy on 06/07/08 at 9:45am wrote on 06/06/08 at 10:02pm:
Thats all well and good.........however, the link you provide is from the NY Times Editorial page........in other words........OPINION. If you look at the quotes from lawmakers in Congress......many were made prior to 2000...........BEFORE Bush!!!!! |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by mudslinger47 on 06/07/08 at 11:13am Come on Bob, you didn't expect them to actually read any of it, did ya? Many of these congressmen were on record during the Klinton admin. ready to take Sadam out. How soon people forget. 9/11 don't forget!! Duane |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by imracin68j on 06/07/08 at 12:20pm Iraq had 0 to do with 9/11 as per CIA and FBI and congressional investigations. It was a lie. |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by PriddyMotorsports on 06/07/08 at 12:27pm It wasn't a lie, Just a good opportunity |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by mudslinger47 on 06/07/08 at 11:39pm imracin68j wrote on 06/07/08 at 12:20pm:
Yours right Billy, BUT Al qaeda was there, that alone is reason enough, I don't recall anyone saying Iraq had beans to do with any thing!! They were harboring terrorists and Bush said and stuck to it, you are either with us or against us, harboring terrorists appears to me to be against us. Duane |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by Bap33 on 06/08/08 at 7:04am what is it those folks in the planes and towers had done wrong to be murdered? Their only crime was being American (even that was just assumed by the arab cowards - they are racist and only knew the folks "looked" American and were doing American things like flying home and going to work). The attack was centered in NuevaYork, so, using 68j's arguement - ONLY NEW YORK, the city, has a right to react and defend itself. Or, even more presice(sp), the towers and the planes and only those on the planes since they were obviously the only targets. (we will not go back to the USS Cole, or tower '94, just to keep it simple). Ofcourse that sounds ridiculous. It is expected that America will defend all freedom in all of the world, and it's own freedom the most. All of western civilization is hated by the freak arab murderers. America, despite the efforts from the liberal cancer within, is still the leader of the free western civilization. Do you see now how an ideal, how a priciple, can be the "what" when talking about "why"? We were not attacked by a "who" that had a problem with the pilots on our planes. We were / are / will always be under atteck by a "what". You want to limit the way America defends all of the free world? Why? The "what" is not as tangible as the Japanees Empire was. It is just as detemined to kill as many Americans as possible, in an effort to disrupt free living. The "what" in this case is rooted in an arab fable wrote by some camel herder named mohamad. He was nobody special in any way and never had any proficey(sp) come to pass, he never tought in temples, he never healed anyone - all he did was write a fable to give the arab's an excuse to hate the Jews even more than they already did - and then the arabs started spreading their brand of hate. Draw a cartoon and put mohamad under it and you are in danger of losing your head. Don't you find it funny how the lib media will go bananas when a life-long gangster is finally made to serve the death sentence in America ..... they go on and on about what's humane and what-not ..... all of this about a convicted criminal that recieved due=process and enjoyed another 20 years of life (except McVey - something we need to discuss). Contrast that with how supportive the lib media is when the crazy arabs send out a threat of murder for drawing a cartoon of some fable writer. They give reverence and are afraid of the crazy arabs - who will kill them without any sorrow at first chance. Now, contrast that reaction to how the media covers the Christian's in America. Still say there is no bias? Still think the media does not fully understand the enemy is a "what" and not a "who"? They are scared to death of somthing - next time they ask "who are we fighting", tell them, "the guys holding the sword to your throat." If they act like they dont believe still, just ask them to publish a cartoon of mohamad getting spanked by Uncle Sam and tell them to make sure they take full credit. When they refuse, you win, and then ask them "who" they fear. Tell them, "That's who hold the sword. He lives over in arabville. He dont wear a uniform. He dont fly a flag. He is a coward, not a warrior. He has never met you, but he hates and will kill you. He is here in America. He is in Canada and mexico. He can be found in every free nation because he knows how to abuse freedoms for his cause. He is coming for you. He would have been here already but Bush keeps him busy in his own backyard. We are fighting a mental problem, alot like liberalism, and that IS a waste of time - so on that we agree 68j. My answer is to exterminate them just as you do roaches. Anything less does not fix anything. If you read the OT you will see where the arab race came from and why they have so much land and riches but only know war and hate for anything Jew (Since Christ was a Jew, Christianity is hated too). The arab nations only know war. That is their contribution to man. That, and the concept of "Zero" in numbers - and the game Chess (also war). So, they have offered humanity nothing and war. Sorry for the long post. |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by imracin68j on 06/08/08 at 8:34am bapp, I have never said n.y. has to defend itself. That's nuts. I'm all for going after the people responsible for 9/11. Unfortunatly we pulled off going after them to invade Iraq. Which was an exaduration according to the latest report. Our invasion has created more terrorist and resent for the u.s. Now bush is trying to ramrod an agreement that would have the us there permently. the Iraqi people don't want that, either do the American people. |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by mudslinger47 on 06/08/08 at 9:39am Billy, simply put, the people responsible for 9/11 are all throughout the middle east, this isn't going to end anytime soon, even IF your new God, Obama is elected. Duane |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by benstrans on 06/08/08 at 7:30pm mudslinger47 wrote on 06/08/08 at 9:39am:
If HE gets in, we're all gonna have to learn to speak Arabic. (those of us left) |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by FASTMIKE on 06/08/08 at 8:45pm benstrans wrote on 06/08/08 at 7:30pm:
couldnt agree more Ben... peace..................mike p.s. i DONT believe it will happen though... |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by imracin68j on 06/09/08 at 2:50pm Sorry boys, nobody is in bed with the middle east more that George W. Bush. His ties to Saudi Arabia are deep. His family was also VERY good friends with the Bin Ladens. It' way deep. I don't understand the analogy anyway. Obama's campaign is stop mingling in the middle east. McCain and Bush want a permanent occupation. Maybe you can elaborate more.... |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by mudslinger47 on 06/09/08 at 3:24pm You don't have a clue what Obama's campaign is about, and neither does he!!!! When not reading from a prepared text, he makes "W" sound like W F Buckley. (Pun intended) Duane |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by imracin68j on 06/09/08 at 4:03pm He will whipe the floor of McCain in debate. I loved McCain in the everglades a couple days ago. After he was asked by the press why he was out there considered he voting on a bill against preserving the everglades a couple years ago.. You should have seen his reaction and doubletalk and reality check. |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by FASTMIKE on 06/09/08 at 4:12pm imracin68j wrote on 06/09/08 at 4:03pm:
now that there are 2 let the TIT for TAT begin....... peace....................................mike |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by Hap_61 on 06/10/08 at 5:18pm Bap33 it's nice to know there are others who see past the 6 o'clock news, and political speeches that never touch on the nerve of the issue. At some point we can all wake up and change the term terrorist to Islamic extremist and cut thru a lot of b.s. Also could someone list for me accomplishments worth any mention by Sen. Obama while he has been a senator, all I can find is he has voted "present" over 100 times while a senator which is how you vote when you don't want to take a position either way..... weak. |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by imracin68j on 06/10/08 at 5:57pm ive said it before. If you're happy with the bush economic policies we have now and you think America is headed in the right direction and you think we should stay in iraq, vote mccain. If you want someone who is out for the working man making 150000 and less, go obama. |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by fromthegrandstands on 06/10/08 at 6:15pm If you're happy with the bush economic policies we have now and you think America is headed in the right direction and you think we should stay in iraq, vote McCain. If you want things to get even WORSE for ALL AMERICANS - Vote Obama IF YOU WANT THINGS to get BETTER for ALL - get your heads out of the sand - PAY ATTENTION, put NEW people in Congress, stay ON TOP of what the politicans are doing - and find a Presidential Candidtate who's QUALIFIED and WILLING to take this country in the direction it needs to go to make it better FOR ALL |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by imracin68j on 06/10/08 at 6:39pm if you want to buy the CEO's another house at the hamptons, vote mccain. LOL. |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by Popeye on 06/10/08 at 6:44pm imracin68j wrote on 06/10/08 at 5:57pm:
Billy, Who is Obama? Where did he come from? I have only heard of him in the past two years, Is he trustworthy? Thanks in advance. |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by Bap33 on 06/10/08 at 7:08pm $150K ?? I dont know any two people that make that added together. But, some advisor tells him to pull that number out of his butt and he does. |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by mudslinger47 on 06/10/08 at 10:05pm imracin68j wrote on 06/09/08 at 4:03pm:
Well, if he debates like you spell, McCain could take a nap and win. Duane |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by imracin68j on 06/10/08 at 10:22pm Duane, please stop flattering yourself... Sometimes I think Racing-fan is writing your posts.. lol |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by mudslinger47 on 06/10/08 at 10:33pm imracin68j wrote on 06/10/08 at 10:22pm:
Not sense I found my spell check there my weaselly friend, and when by the way are you going to answer my question about taxation? Huh? Didn't hear and answer. Is it be cause your blinded by the light? Even though its a black light (double entendre their, cause he's black and a black light is dim) Some times I crack ,no pun intended, my self up.. And yes, I'm ready for the racial slur charges. LOL Duane |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by Kdawg33A on 06/11/08 at 12:15am wrote on 06/10/08 at 6:44pm:
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by FASTMIKE on 06/11/08 at 6:09am wrote on 06/11/08 at 12:15am:
are you serious kdawg, he is a SPINNER (not to be construed as a tweaker) he is in the business to spin subjects instead of answer questions to have dialogue that would expose his inconsistencies......this is worth the price of admission though.....lol peace................................................mike |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by imracin68j on 06/11/08 at 8:18am Following high school, Obama moved to Los Angeles, where he studied at Occidental College for two years. He then transferred to Columbia University in New York City, where he majored in political science with a specialization in international relations. Obama graduated with a B.A. from Columbia in 1983, then worked at Business International Corporation and New York Public Interest Research Group. After four years in New York City, Obama moved to Chicago to work as a community organizer for three years from June 1985 to May 1988 as director of the Developing Communities Project, a church-based community organization originally comprising eight Catholic parishes in Greater Roseland (Roseland, West Pullman, and Riverdale) on Chicago's far South Side. During his three years as the DCP's director, its staff grew from 1 to 13 and its annual budget grew from $70,000 to $400,000, with accomplishments including helping set up a job training program, a college preparatory tutoring program, and a tenants' rights organization in Altgeld Gardens. He entered Harvard Law School in 1988. His election in 1990 as the first black president of the Harvard Law Review was widely reported. Obama graduated with a J.D. magna cum laude from Harvard in 1991, then returned to Chicago and began writing his first book, Dreams from My Father, a memoir published in 1995. Obama directed Illinois Project Vote! from April to October 1992, a voter registration drive with a staff of 10 and 700 volunteers that achieved its goal of registering 150,000 of 400,000 unregistered African Americans in the state, leading Crain's Chicago Business to name Obama to its 1993 list of "40 under Forty" powers to be. He taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School for twelve years, as a Lecturer for four years (1992–1996), and as a Senior Lecturer for eight years (1996–2004).[19] Obama worked as an associate attorney with Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland from 1993 to 2002. After 1996, he worked at the firm only during the summer, when the Illinois Senate was not in session.[20] Obama worked on cases where the firm represented community organizers, pursued discrimination claims, and on voting rights cases. He also spent time on real estate transactions, filing incorporation papers and defending clients against minor lawsuits.[21] Mostly he drew up briefs, contracts, and other legal documents as a junior associate on legal teams.[21] Obama was a founding member of the board of directors of Public Allies in 1992, resigning before his wife, Michelle, became the founding executive director of Public Allies Chicago in spring 1993. He served on the board of directors of the Woods Fund of Chicago, which in 1985 had been the first foundation to fund Obama's DCP, from 1993–2002, and served on the board of directors of The Joyce Foundation from 1994–2002.[8] Obama served on the board of directors of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge from 1995–2002, as founding president and chairman of the board of directors from 1995–1999.[8] He also served on the board of directors of the Chicago Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, the Center for Neighborhood Technology, and the Lugenia Burns Hope Center. Everything else you wanted to know can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama His accomplishments are impressive by any standard. |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by Kdawg33A on 06/11/08 at 9:09am Billy, Thanks for the footwork. Seems with all his experience, the "African american" and "the descriminated" people of America have themselves the Perfect candidate. How about us Good Ol Generic Americans. What experience does he have with Us? |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by imracin68j on 06/11/08 at 9:31am Obama was elected to the Illinois Senate in 1996, succeeding State Senator Alice Palmer as Senator from the 13th District. Once elected, Obama gained bipartisan support for legislation reforming ethics and health care laws. He sponsored a law increasing tax credits for low-mid income workers, negotiated welfare reform, and promoted increased subsidies for childcare. In 2001, as co-chairman of the bipartisan Joint Committee on Administrative Rules, Obama supported Republican Governor Ryan's payday loan regulations and predatory mortgage lending regulations aimed at averting home foreclosures, and in 2003, Obama sponsored and led unanimous, bipartisan passage of legislation to monitor racial profiling by requiring police to record the race of drivers they detained and legislation making Illinois the first state to mandate videotaping of homicide interrogations. Obama was reelected to the Illinois Senate in 1998, and again in 2002. Obama became chairman of the Illinois Senate's Health and Human Services Committee when Democrats, after a decade in the minority, regained a majority. During his 2004 general election campaign for U.S. Senate, police representatives credited Obama for his active engagement with police organizations in enacting death penalty reforms. Obama resigned from the Illinois Senate in November 2004 following his election to the US Senate. In January 2007, Obama worked with Democrat Russ Feingold of Wisconsin to eliminate gifts of travel on corporate jets by lobbyists to members of Congress and require disclosure of bundled campaign contributions under the "Honest Leadership and Open Government Act," which was signed into law in September 2007. Consistent with his interests in conservation, Obama voted in favor of the Energy Policy Act of 2005. Obama took an active role in the Senate's drive for improved border security and immigration reform. In 2005, he cosponsored the "Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act" introduced by Republican John McCain of Arizona.[51] He later added three amendments to the "Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act", which passed the Senate in May 2006, but failed to gain majority support in the House of Representatives.[52] In September 2006, Obama supported a related bill, the Secure Fence Act, authorizing construction of fencing and other security improvements along the United States–Mexico border.[53] President Bush signed the Secure Fence Act into law in October 2006, calling it "an important step toward immigration reform."[54] Senate bill sponsors Tom Coburn (R-OK) and Obama discussing the Coburn–Obama Transparency Act[55] Partnering with Republican Senators Richard Lugar of Indiana and then Tom Coburn of Oklahoma, Obama successfully introduced two initiatives bearing his name. "Lugar–Obama" expanded the Nunn–Lugar cooperative threat reduction concept to conventional weapons, including shoulder-fired missiles and anti-personnel mines.[56] The "Coburn–Obama Transparency Act" authorized the establishment of USAspending.gov, a web search engine launched in December 2007 and run by the Office of Management and Budget.[57] After Illinois residents complained of waste water contamination by a neighboring nuclear plant, Obama sponsored legislation requiring plant owners to notify state and local authorities of radioactive leaks.[58] A compromise version of the bill was subsequently blocked by partisan disputes and later reintroduced.[59] In December 2006, President Bush signed into law the "Democratic Republic of the Congo Relief, Security, and Democracy Promotion Act," marking the first federal legislation to be enacted with Obama as its primary sponsor.[60] In January 2007, Obama worked with Democrat Russ Feingold of Wisconsin to eliminate gifts of travel on corporate jets by lobbyists to members of Congress and require disclosure of bundled campaign contributions under the "Honest Leadership and Open Government Act," which was signed into law in September 2007.[61] He introduced S. 453, a bill to criminalize deceptive practices in federal elections, including fraudulent flyers and automated phone calls, as witnessed in the 2006 midterm elections.[62] Obama's energy initiatives scored pluses and minuses with environmentalists, who welcomed his sponsorship with McCain of a climate change bill to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by two-thirds by 2050, but were skeptical of his support for a bill promoting liquefied coal production.[63] Obama also introduced the "Iraq War De-Escalation Act of 2007," a bill to cap troop levels in Iraq, begin phased redeployment, and remove all combat brigades from Iraq before April 2008.[64] Later in 2007, Obama sponsored an amendment to the Defense Authorization Act adding safeguards for personality disorder military discharges, and calling for an official review following reports that the procedure had been used inappropriately to reduce government costs.[65] He sponsored the "Iran Sanctions Enabling Act" supporting divestment of state pension funds from Iran's oil and gas industry, and joined Republican Chuck Hagel of Nebraska in introducing legislation to reduce risks of nuclear terrorism.[66][67] A provision from the Obama–Hagel bill was passed by Congress in December 2007 as an amendment to the State-Foreign Operations appropriations bill.[67] Obama also sponsored a Senate amendment to the State Children's Health Insurance Program providing one year of job protection for family members caring for soldiers with combat-related injuries.[68] |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by Kdawg33A on 06/11/08 at 10:01am LOL, Ok Guys I Got Nothin. There is a couple issues here but overall this guy seems balanced. I especially like the Border Security co-sponsor with McSame. OK I have a question. Like it or not we have a situation in the middle east that we CANNOT get away from. (NOT YET) What experience does Yobama have in Military operations? I got the part about having "Foreign relations" training Schooling (whatever it was), That's a Positive, but what does he really know about running the military? The "Get out of Iraq" policy you spew on here worries me about Yobama. Leaving would be disaterous anyway you look at it. Yeah except for the money, But Money is no option in Government. As you stated, we will just spend the Deficit!! LOL Thanks Billy, I gotta go. |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by Hap_61 on 06/11/08 at 11:05am ( Taken from : American Thinker author/ Selwyn Duke ) If you interview someone for a job, you'll expect him to tell you what you want to hear. There'll be a façade, and his darker side will remain well-hidden. Now, let's say a requirement for the job is that the applicant likes children, and he does his best Captain Kangaroo. But then you find out he has a job history of indifference to and perhaps even abuse of kids and that, during unguarded moments, he has expressed disdain for them. What will you believe, what he tries to sell you, or history and hair-down revelations? Remember this when evaluating the profound discrepancy between Barack Obama's damage-control denials and flowery rhetoric, and his long track record. Understand that he, like the other candidates, is interviewing for the job of president with you, the interviewer. His job is to bend the truth; your job is to discern it. The only question is: Who will do a better job, he or you? Either Obama really is a savior for the third millennium, or the answer is that he is, thus far, besting many of you. Millions flock to him, registering oohs and ahs, fainting and fawning. Even critics and watchdogs heap praise upon him; Bill O'Reilly said he likes Obama and Sean Hannity proclaimed him a "good man." But what is the truth about this applicant? Let me tell you a story. In 2002, President Bush signed into law a bill titled the "Born Alive Infants Protection Act" (BAIPA). This law was necessary because, believe it or not, infants were being born alive during attempted abortions and then, ancient Spartan style, left to die. Jill Stanek wrote about this last year, saying: "As a nurse at an Illinois hospital in 1999, I discovered babies were being aborted alive and shelved to die in soiled utility rooms. I discovered infanticide." The act was so vile that even staunch abortion advocates would not oppose BAIPA. Stanek tells us that it passed the Senate by unanimous vote, garnering the support of senators Kerry, Kennedy and Clinton. She then pointed out: "The bill also passed overwhelmingly in the House. NARAL went neutral on it. Abortion enthusiasts publicly agreed that fighting BAIPA would appear extreme." But the state version of BAIPA failed for years in Illinois. Any guesses as to why? Stanek goes on to explain: I testified in 2001 and 2002 before a committee of which Obama was a member. Obama articulately worried that legislation protecting live aborted babies might infringe on women's rights or abortionists' rights. Obama's clinical discourse, his lack of mercy, shocked me. I was naive back then. Obama voted against the measure, twice. It ultimately failed. In 2003, as chairman of the next Senate committee to which BAIPA was sent, Obama stopped it from even getting a hearing, shelving it to die much like babies were still being shelved to die in Illinois hospitals and abortion clinics. If asked about this, I'm sure Obama would be a very effective interviewee; he is good with words. (Of course, one is better with words when they're managed by a sympathetic media.) Yet, when you look beyond the rhetoric, a picture of Obama starts to emerge. There are his darnable associations. We know about William Ayers, the college professor and "education advisor" who, as a Weather Underground terrorist in the 1970s, planted bombs in a campaign against our government. You might point out that this was three decades ago, but know that Ayers is unrepentant and wishes that he had planted more bombs. Barack Obama Obama launched his campaign for the state senate with a fundraiser at the house of Ayers and his fellow terrorist wife Bernadine Dohrn. What does this piece of history teach us? For starters, it is one thing to understand something is wrong; it is another to feel it. Emotion is a stronger motivator than logic (Captain Kirk had the passion, not Mr. Spock). My point is, given Obama's cordial dealings with Ayers -- a man with whom many wouldn't break bread -- I'm left to wonder how much terrorism really bothers the senator on a visceral level. If his tolerance for the Weathermen is any indication, we have to ask: As president, would his zeal match that of our Islamist foes? Then there is the now infamous Reverend Wright, the man of the cloth poised to move into a 10,000 square ft. house with a 10-million-dollar line of credit. His bigoted, virulently anti-American bile has received enough press so that I don't have to provide a complete run-down, but this is a man who equated America with al-Qaeda, said we deserved 9/11, made anti-white statements, and called our nation "the US of KKKA." This prompted, as you know, a well-crafted and rendered speech on race by the interviewee (as the infanticide story, should it receive enough play, may inspire a speech on the sanctity of life), but, again, what is the reality behind the words? Obama called Wright a friend, mentor and uncle; he had a 20-year relationship with him, during which time he attended Wright's church; he was married and had his child baptized by the reverend; and last year he donated $26,000 to the church. Yet some would give Obama credit for not casting his friend to the winds. After all, the interviewee said that he "cannot disown him." But my question is: Why, Mr. Obama, did you ever own him in the first place? So we again have to wonder about his emotional constitution, his heart. Even if he doesn't share Wright's passion for the hate, he certainly was tolerant of it -- and I suspect sympathetic to it. And a man is known by the company he keeps. The woman he marries is some indication, too. Michelle Obama vigorously advocated partial-birth abortion (which is also infanticide) in 2004, and we all know about her notorious pronouncement: "For the first time in my adult life, I'm proud of my country." As for the comment, it has caused many to question her patriotism and apologists to counsel against rash judgment. But the truth is plain. As I'm sure Jesse Lee Peterson -- a black minister and the president of B.O.N.D. -- would tell you, anti-American sentiment typifies leftist blacks (it's quite common among leftist whites, too). Think about it: How many blacks on the left can you think of who don't fit that mold? It's a consequence of imbibing the philosophy of hatred and bitterness dispensed by Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and other racial hustlers. Then we have Obama's moment of honesty in San Francisco. As a refresher, here is what he said: "You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years . . . . And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." Many have labeled these comments elitist, and Obama has been trying to explain them away. But, again, the truth is plain. Apologists have asserted that Bill Clinton expressed the same sentiments in 1992; in other words, the best they can muster is that Obama is just like Clinton. And that is the point. Obama is a leftist, Clinton is a leftist, and that's what leftists believe about "flyover country," just as Michelle Obama's statement reflects what they believe about the whole country. You needn't be a clairvoyant to discern it. To understand what is most striking about those comments, though, you have to look more deeply. Notice he mentioned "religion" in the same breath as "guns" and "antipathy to people," sandwiched right in-between the two. It's hard to escape the conclusion that he draws an equivalency among those things, which speaks volumes. If you're a person of faith, you understand that we're supposed to cling to religion. After all, if you are serious about your faith, you must believe it is the Truth and that it is God's will that you should practice it. And why wouldn't you have the Truth at the center of your life? The only kind of person who wouldn't have this perspective is one who has little or no faith. That certainly wouldn't make Obama unique, but remember that he has often masqueraded as a man of faith, just as he now touts his support for Second Amendment rights (in 1999 he supported a law that would have eliminated gun stores from virtually the whole country). But this bespeaks of a reality: There is Obama the myth, and Obama the man. If you want to know the former, listen to what he says; if you want to know the latter, accept what he is. And what is he? What is the truth about Barack Obama? You won't hear it from the Sean Hannitys of the world, who will tell us that he is a "good man" with bad ideology. Such people are simple telling you what they're supposed to believe; it's what "fair and balanced" commentators do, the stuff of "acceptable" conservatives. The truth about Obama is that he is not a good man. He is a bad man. Good men don't turn a blind eye to unrepentant ex-terrorists; support vile, anti-American bigots; lie about their core beliefs; and look down on traditional Americans. Most significantly, good men don't allow beautiful babies -- the least among us -- to be discarded like refuse and die miserable, lonely deaths in dark utility rooms. In fact, if we cannot call Obama a bad man, there is no such thing as a bad man. And calling him a good man doesn't just strain credulity, it puts it in the hospital in traction. Ah, yes, hope, change, unity, infanticide, bigotry, terrorism, Obama . . . good? We all know what is wrong with this picture. |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by 18racr on 06/11/08 at 11:16am WOW THAT IS A GOOD WAY TO LOOK AT IT.OBAMA IS NOT THE ANSWER FOR AMERICA. |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by imracin68j on 06/11/08 at 12:17pm Please point out what Bush Sr. had on his resume that had you vote for him... |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by Kdawg33A on 06/11/08 at 12:22pm He was Regan's VP That's IT |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by imracin68j on 06/11/08 at 12:38pm What about Bush Jr. |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by Kdawg33A on 06/11/08 at 12:51pm The People voted for Gore. |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by mudslinger47 on 06/11/08 at 12:52pm At least he knew who his Daddy was and saw him regularly along with being in government and having business experience and a little thing like govenorship, you know, the stuff they call EXPERIANCE!!!! You are truly blinded by the light. Duane |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by Kdawg33A on 06/11/08 at 1:02pm LOL Slinger I was just going to add that Clinton (Klinton) was voted in because he had a "sweet" success story of a "Single Mom" kid who apparently "Beat the Odds" and became successful. ~the fact he was a percieved "kool kat" playing the Sax and smokin herb didn't hurt either. The people voted for Gore in the same respect as they voted for Daddy Bush (on the heals of the previous president). Why GW was voted in the 2nd time I have NO IDEA. It's official I know more people that regret voting on the 2nd term, than are happy about it. And I am talking about staunch republican friends of mine, not my cool friends......LMAO |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by Hap_61 on 06/11/08 at 1:36pm He got voted in 2nd term mostly because there was no challenge, Kerry ? you got to be kidding, it's almost like the democrats didn't want to win the last election. There were a lot democrats that voted for Bush last election....... They would never admit it, but they did. Pulled that curtain behind them and felt safer voting for Bush. |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by Kdawg33A on 06/11/08 at 1:59pm Me personally and quite honestly, voted Kerry, Solely on the Idea that Bush did not warrant another term. I took the Good and The Bad and came up with Kerry couldn't possibly "Blow Dog" any worse than Bush has the previous 4 years. of course that's just one man's opinion. I found this article If it's Opinion I apologize but IMO gives a strong arguement for Obama based on Economy. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-l-borosage/obama-shows-his-punch_b_106374.html Now I know Bap will jump to the "Liar lender/borrower" arguement, but I pre ask of Bap, What are you going to do? Jail them? Our Prison's cost enough already. And nothing will negate the fact We have Lost That much Money "Americans have seen $2.5 trillion in wealth erased." (What's 2.5 trillion divided by 300 million anyway?) What are you goona do? More of the Same, MCcaine? Come on. I am not trying to Endorse Obama, but would like to pursue all pro's and con's before plugging my nose (or closing the curtain huh Hap?) and vote for Lessor evil. I glazed over the Obama Abortion illinois thing up there the first time. That's JUST AWFULL. I may be Pro-choice but that practice is above and beyond ANYTHING I Support!! That is MOST Definately MURDER. SICK and Disgusting. |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by Hap_61 on 06/11/08 at 2:48pm I wasn't accusing you of Voting one way and saying you voted another, I respect you for disclosing who you voted for, I did vote for Bush because I thought Kerry a weaker option, we'll never know. My decision on him was during an interview with Katie Curic when she was still on The Today Show and asked John Kerry if he were elected could he say with 100% certainty that we would not be attacked by terrorists if he were president, he actually said yes, even Katie was taken back and responded Really, you think you can honestly say that.... well no one can say that he looked like an idiot, who would say anything to get elected. I'm just saying the democrats could have put up a better candidate, like Leiberman, a democrat who endorses McCain....... As far as money there is a lot of factors that play into the economy, including NAFTA, and Illegal immigration, and that doesn't scratch the surface, try to build/fabricate something in the US at a competitive international selling price, perfect example, go to any Wal-Mart go to the bicycle section, you can buy a mens beach cruiser for less than 100 dollars, it's a pos, but it's 89 bucks, how the hell do you make a bike w/2 rims and tires, seat, handlebars etc. add shipping, and sell it to Wal-mart for probably 42 bucks, ( my head is going to pop) epa, workers comp, liability ins, an actual min. wage, tax, tax, tax... There are no more mass produced bikes in the U.S.. Natural disasters aren't cheap, I know Bush caused Katrina because he didn't address the levys the minute he was elected, even though New Orleans as a city didn't do a darn thing either, a gambling booze mecca can't be expected to take care of its self, I know if Vegas was surrounded by levys Wynn himself would have the most indestructible NEW levys money could buy, and they would be nice to look at, probably have dancing fountains on them. |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by Bap33 on 06/11/08 at 3:57pm KDawg, I have the answer. Write in Ron Paul for Prez, and Jo Liberman for VP. I will be doing this. If McCain happens to pick eithe guy for VP, I will then vote FOR him. Otherwise, I am voting AGAINST BHO. |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by FASTMIKE on 06/11/08 at 5:04pm wrote on 06/11/08 at 1:59pm:
8.33 dollars per person..............the stimulas package has ALREADY corrected this loss.......NEXT ITEM.......lol peace......................................................mike |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by FASTMIKE on 06/11/08 at 5:11pm Bap33 wrote on 06/11/08 at 3:57pm:
i dont disagree with you often but NOT voting for McCain IS voting for oSama........just like the perot vote......i am guilty. peace...............................................mike |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by imracin68j on 06/11/08 at 7:06pm Bapp, I respect your decision. |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by Bap33 on 06/11/08 at 8:14pm I voted for Ross too ... that is what klinton needed too ... we sux!! lol |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by FASTMIKE on 06/11/08 at 8:28pm imracin68j wrote on 06/11/08 at 7:06pm:
Bap.....DONT DO IT.....look at billy, he is drooling...lol peace........................................mike p.s. billy how much cash would i need to put up to get you to bet the vc on OSAMA.........remember all the winning's go to charity. |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by imracin68j on 06/11/08 at 9:00pm The next time I take the car out it will have the Danny Simkins edition going on. You're not worthy of that deal.. Sorry dude, nothing personal. I still have 4 slots open though. Feel free to buy them all. 40 dollars. Plus: If McCain wins, it's not the end of the world for the left. He's barely a conservative. However, if Obama wins... well, you know... lol |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by mudslinger47 on 06/12/08 at 12:27am imracin68j wrote on 06/11/08 at 9:00pm:
Ya, he's barely liberal, socialist would be closer! LOL Duane |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by FASTMIKE on 06/12/08 at 5:52am imracin68j wrote on 06/11/08 at 9:00pm:
o.k billy you are right, i am not worthy, and yes you are right, if oSama wins, YOU know what my SPONSORSHIP deals WILL look like next year at the track, it will be cheap ENTERTAINMENT for me to deflect my income for, and some(more than one) will take me up on it.....lol...NOTHING PERSONAL THOUGH....you know that...just got to play the game......good ole father time will tell....... peace...........................mike p.s. you better put in a rearview mirror so you dont hurt your neck looking for that gremlin.... |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by FASTMIKE on 06/12/08 at 5:55am imracin68j wrote on 06/11/08 at 9:00pm:
sounds like an early concession to me.....roflmao....oSama will not win.....just like YOUR girl was YOUR first LOSER..... peace..................................................mike |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by mudslinger47 on 06/12/08 at 7:51am I'd like to think that America isn't stupid enough to vote in the Puppet, Obama. If you have heard him speak off the cuff, you know that he's just saying whats written for him. However, there are enough Billy's out there blinded by the light of change, whether they know what the change is or not, that want all the handouts and give me's that the Puppet is offering, that worries me some. Obama, the Puppet said, We live in the greatest nation in the world and its time for change. Now, how much sense does that make? Other then to all the Billy's in the world. Duane |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by FASTMIKE on 06/12/08 at 7:54am he WONT win.... |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by imracin68j on 06/12/08 at 9:22am Well, I just tried cutting through your 3000 posts to find the post where you asked me if I was voting for Hillary and I told you I was not but I couldn't find it. I've been on the train since the first debate. It's hard to find things on your posts because 2/3 of them start with "Billy." LMAO Talk about free rent.. OMG. lol Leave the lights on bro.. |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by Bap33 on 06/12/08 at 9:39am 68j, to be fair I must say you did side for klinton and even mention the dream ticket with a poster named southerndemocrat. That series of posts does not say "I am voting klinton" , so I did not share it - but - the inference is there. I don't think it is very relivant at this time as nobody could pick a side back then. Both of my top picks got stomped in the primary round. THe bright side is that the next Prez will have a large pile of dung to step through - no matter who it is. Here is a very honest wager. If Barry 'O picks a good VP, then he might win a state or two. If he picks another socialist like himself, he will get destroyed. Now, if McCain picks a Democrat for his VP he will lose to Barry 'O and any VP you want --- he could have Farrakan as a VP and beat McCain if McCain picks a Dem running mate. McCain is such a flaming lib, he ticks me off man. But his wife is hot. |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by imracin68j on 06/12/08 at 10:13am I did say that they were already calling the obama / clinton the dream ticket, BUT I never recall saying I was voting for Hillary. Anyone is free to find the post and prove me wrong however. I wouldn't care if she was VP. |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by FASTMIKE on 06/12/08 at 10:18am trust me billy, the light you see is that of an ON COMING TRAIN and rest assured I will leave it on.....JUST FOR YOU.......roflmao btw, i might even help pick up the PIECES.....LOL peace.................................mike |
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Title: Re: It's official... Post by FASTMIKE on 06/12/08 at 10:20am imracin68j wrote on 06/12/08 at 10:13am:
just like her.....roflmao! thanks for the humor bill, it's been worth the price of addmission here at LMR! peace................................................mike |
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