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09/17/08 at 2:14pm
 
Has anyone ever welded on there car say to fix and bracket or something like.then had to take the third member in to get worked on that they said that they need a new set of gear because it was ached across and they were messed up? I havent been home to check it out yet but that is what cowboy said when we took it over there to get a 28 spline taken out and a 31 spline put in. 300 bucks later we get the third member back and now we are low on money to we will have to race on the 27th in santa maria
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Re: welding
Reply #1 - 09/17/08 at 4:02pm
 
It can happen very easy.  If your ground was in a location where the current was able to pass through your gear set it can arc the gears or the bearings very easy.  The way to prevent this from happening is to always place your ground as close as possible to the area that you are going to be welding, and look at the path the current will be taking, (for instance-if you are welding on the rearend housing, never ground on one side of the gear set and weld on the other).  If you were welding on the rear of the car and the ground was somewhere in front of the rearend housing, it is a posibility the current can go through the gear set and arc the gears or bearings.  Anybody ever had ignition trouble after doing some welding on their car ??  I'll save that for Welding - 101 lesson #2..........
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Re: welding
Reply #2 - 09/17/08 at 4:20pm
 
i did it this year jeff... same thing... cowboy gear, but yes if you weld to close to the rear end... i had never had it happen until now, not sure why, but i did mine welding the leaf spring pads on at the start of the year.  

haha welding 101, always make sure your master switch is off!!! lol...
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Re: welding
Reply #3 - 09/17/08 at 4:35pm
 
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but yes if you weld to close to the rear end...  

The problem was not that you were to close to the gears, it was the placement of the ground. You can weld a half inch from your gears or bearings if the ground is in the right position.  AGAIN- always trace the path the current is going to follow..........(arc to ground)
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Reply #4 - 09/17/08 at 6:59pm
 
yeah thats what i meant lol
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Reply #5 - 09/18/08 at 10:42am
 
i do it to my shocks on accident all the time, the shaft to the bottom of the body. sucks about gear though
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Re: welding
Reply #6 - 09/18/08 at 11:01am
 
I've welded on my rearend countless times.  I always hook the ground to the wheel studs.  I've never had an issue.  was the rear end completely locked up?  Even if it did tack it self together a little, it would seem putting in gear would break it instantly.  I've never used cowboy gears though.
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Re: welding
Reply #7 - 09/18/08 at 11:11am
 
This is something that everybody should be very carefull with.  There are bearings in your "U" joints, there are moving parts in your transmissions, and lots of moving parts in a motor.  Arcing can occur in any or all of these places.  Many motors, transmissions, or drive lines have been lost due to this and most folks never even knew it.  "Beware young Jedi welders, the Arc Monster is lurking"......
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Re: welding
Reply #8 - 09/18/08 at 11:20am
 
imracin68j wrote on 09/18/08 at 11:01am:
I've welded on my rearend countless times.  I always hook the ground to the wheel studs.  I've never had an issue.

It does not always happen.  Beware, your luck will run out, and you too will pay..............

p.s.  ha ha ha --- wheel studs --- probably the worst place you can find to attach a ground.  Threads = bad ground, current going through ALL moving parts = real bad.  Bill, please don't give anybody welding lessons, stick to politics..........LOL
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Re: welding
Reply #9 - 09/18/08 at 11:57am
 
What do you know about welding anyway?  Smiley
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Reply #10 - 09/18/08 at 12:12pm
 
Nothing but I did stay at a Holiday Inn !!! ------- Grin
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Re: welding
Reply #11 - 09/18/08 at 1:21pm
 
Old School-

Thanks for the education. Sometimes A guy gets in a hurry and doesn't think about this kind of stuff.
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Re: welding
Reply #12 - 09/18/08 at 3:46pm
 
Kirk, you're a smart old 'seasoned' man... I knew about the deal with ignition problems.... Pete Van Iderstein ran across those troubles early in the season...
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Re: welding
Reply #13 - 09/18/08 at 3:54pm
 
imracin68j wrote on 09/18/08 at 11:57am:
What do you know about welding anyway?  Smiley


The Capt. has forgot more about welding than you ever knew Cheesy Huh Cheesy...........
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Reply #14 - 09/18/08 at 3:55pm
 
Hey Ian,    Watch the "old man" remarks.  Those of us that have been around the track a few times prefer to call it "seasoned"................LOL  

Like fine wine, some things get better with time. (at least that's the crap I was told once)     Smiley
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Reply #15 - 09/18/08 at 3:59pm
 
LOL.
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Re: welding
Reply #16 - 09/18/08 at 10:39pm
 
Sounds like a good way to sell gear sets
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Re: welding
Reply #17 - 09/19/08 at 1:32am
 
hogracer3d wrote on 09/18/08 at 10:39pm:
Sounds like a good way to sell gear sets

I was thinkin the same thing.....
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Re: welding
Reply #18 - 09/19/08 at 6:27am
 
It will also burn up you eletro system in your car.
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Re: welding
Reply #19 - 09/19/08 at 5:35pm
 
OLD SCHOOL#6 wrote on 09/18/08 at 3:55pm:
Hey Ian,    Watch the "old man" remarks.  Those of us that have been around the track a few times prefer to call it "seasoned"................LOL  

Like fine wine, some things get better with time. (at least that's the crap I was told once)     Smiley



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Re: welding
Reply #20 - 09/19/08 at 7:16pm
 
don't get your panties in a ruffle billy!!!! lol the old man is right about the ground placement!!. i can see and arc messing up a bearing and your msd and wires for sure but not a ring and pinion gear!!!! o and billy i would know!! I bill ksi to weld for them every day for the past four years!!!! so if you need a lesson you know where are pit stall is at!!!! lol
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