Saturday Night Racer - Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09

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Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09
Reply #22 - 04/18/09 at 2:09am

14pGRT wrote on 04/18/09 at 12:19am:

theres not a competitive modified driver out there, IMCA or WSM, that does not have money in there motors...the money factor is regardless..

got a point! For the guy who asked about the rule changes, most of the "ouutlaw" mods run basically ump rules! Alluminum heads, and a quick change rearend, which in the end is over all cheaper than the 9inch! Have not heard of any one allowing all aluminum motors! Also better tire choices! The G-60 sucks!

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steve LMR Member Offline Dirt Late Models Rule! mods too! Posts: 101 Lebanon Oregon	Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09 Reply #23 - 04/18/09 at 2:16am I also don't like engine claim rules or the crate late model rules either. I have always felt and believe that if you can't afford to run a division, don't run it. Why penalize the guy's who can. I would love to run a late model, but I can't afford it , so I race a modified.
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robbySAWYER Ex Member	Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09 Reply #24 - 04/18/09 at 7:03am you can NOT run aluminum heads, you can grove your tires, you can run a spoiler, you can get a little more creative with the body but still basically the same. You still can not have aluminum parts on car. so pretty much the same darn thing. your motor can be a roller, thats the biggest difference.
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Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09
Reply #25 - 04/18/09 at 7:44am

The motors are the same amount of money to build just a few different parts inside, and no loser running a junk motor tailing the end of the field will ever be racing your motor at the next race still tailing the end of the field! Thats the difference between IMCA and UMP/WSM racing. Also there seems to be a higher quality field that generally shows up at the UMP/WSM races. Not putting down the quality of IMCA racers just the experince level.

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bluebyu LMR God Offline I love YaBB 1G - SP1! Posts: 929	Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09 Reply #26 - 04/18/09 at 7:53am Funny some Arizona tracks just quit UMP and went to IMCA. Ya think they know something we have yet to learn. Crate lates just got cheaper to operate and there faster.
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Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09
Reply #27 - 04/18/09 at 8:02am

HRO 09 wrote on 04/18/09 at 7:44am:

The motors are the same amount of money to build just a few different parts inside, and no loser running a junk motor tailing the end of the field will ever be racing your motor at the next race still tailing the end of the field! Thats the difference between IMCA and UMP/WSM racing. Also there seems to be a higher quality field that generally shows up at the UMP/WSM races. Not putting down the quality of IMCA racers just the experince level.

That is 100% on the money,lol, it been a long and hard road for racers in CA receiving good purse payouts and here in CA IMCA being called a weekly budget division per say has left racer on the short end of the payout for years on end and sky rocketing chassis and parts prices.
If the racers support this style of racing they will see the effect of thicker wallets, not empty wallets, itsn't a gold mine but its sure better than 35 to 50 to start. Everyone comes to race, but Tulare give back your 35.00 if you fail to make the show. That to me is promoting and shows that they are trying to improve racing for all.

IMCA at one time really paid well for racers to run their sanction, but if they want to keep their sanction alive then they need to work with promoters at the tracks that run their sanction and bring or find sponsorship to help provode a good and rewarding payout to teams that support the tracks and sanction, ifn't it will fail in CA for sure in my opinion.

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robbySAWYER Ex Member	Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09 Reply #28 - 04/18/09 at 8:07am wsm payed 50 to those who didnt make the main...
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WESTCOASTDIRT LMR God Offline I love YaBB 1G - SP1! Posts: 1118	Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09 Reply #29 - 04/18/09 at 11:18am Quote: wsm payed 50 to those who didnt make the main... Even better, must have increased the non qualifiers payout even more, the WSM site reflects $35.00
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Rita_Holder LMR Rookie Offline I love YaBB 1G - SP1! Posts: 19	Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09 Reply #30 - 04/18/09 at 12:12pm Lets clear this up. It's $1200 to win $100 to start the A main, $50 to run the semi except the ones that transfer to the A main. $35 to show up even if you break hot lapping.
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WESTCOASTDIRT LMR God Offline I love YaBB 1G - SP1! Posts: 1118	Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09 Reply #31 - 04/18/09 at 12:25pm Rita_Holder wrote on 04/18/09 at 12:12pm: Lets clear this up. It's $1200 to win $100 to start the A main, $50 to run the semi except the ones that transfer to the A main. $35 to show up even if you break hot lapping. That is what I recall, thanks Rita for setting us straight.
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fan_of_4p LMR God Offline Where's the next race? Posts: 1719	Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09 Reply #32 - 04/18/09 at 12:47pm Quote: wsm payed 50 to those who didnt make the main... oh Robby
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Bap33 LMR God Offline Smooth is fast Posts: 560	Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09 Reply #33 - 04/18/09 at 3:35pm wow ... short memories and deep pockets keep killing local level classes.
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threewideracin LMR Rookie Offline Dirt Late Models Rule! Posts: 16	Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09 Reply #34 - 04/18/09 at 5:18pm talked with john and kings is not going outlaw track,but will be hosting specific wsm ruled races and for the cars that are imca legal that place in the top 5 there will be a kicker added to your purce money. to clear the air hanford is still a imca track
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Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09
Reply #35 - 04/20/09 at 4:02pm

threewideracin wrote on 04/18/09 at 5:18pm:

talked with john and kings is not going outlaw track,but will be hosting specific wsm ruled races and for the cars that are imca legal that place in the top 5 there will be a kicker added to your purce money. to clear the air hanford is still a imca track

Jon never said WSM rules. WSM really doesn't have any rules (really). At least none that they won't allow to be bent. Jon from kings, said "OUTLAW Modified racing". There is little difference, but the enforcement of the rules is everything. I have seen this open mod stuff come and go, but IMCA is still around because they have rule enforcement and entry level affordability base on the rules . Any?

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robbySAWYER Ex Member	Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09 Reply #36 - 04/20/09 at 4:07pm well jon from kings needs to get on here, and let us know what the rules are
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dirtracer8 LMR Rookie Offline Dirt Late Models Rule! Posts: 92	Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09 Reply #37 - 04/20/09 at 5:07pm if kings is still imca how come they are not listed as a sanctioning track on imca .com go look for your self
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Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09
Reply #38 - 04/20/09 at 6:06pm

There was supposed to be more info today (4/20/09) from Jon. Checked King's website too, nothing!

So I still have questions:

1. Does anyone know how this will affect King's points standings for the mods?

2. Status Quo or will they start from zero on the first non-IMCA race?

3. Are the rules, as far as the car itself, the same? (besides claims and tire grooving)

4. Where can these rules be found? I saw WSM's rules but someone said it won't be WSM.

4. Are there major modifications required to go from IMCA to Outlaw?

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robbySAWYER Ex Member	Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09 Reply #39 - 04/20/09 at 6:23pm they never said it was going to be wsm, they just will be like chow and use their rules... which is smart...
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Noodle Motorsports LMR Rookie Offline Posts: 64 Santa Maria, CA	Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09 Reply #40 - 04/20/09 at 8:09pm That's my point EXACTLY!!! Something official would be nice...unless they're calling it "The CHOWTLAWS""
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robbySAWYER Ex Member	Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09 Reply #41 - 04/20/09 at 8:56pm jonfromkings???? can you help us out here?
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RACEGLASS LMR Member Offline IN ORDER TO WIN, YOU HAVE TO FINISH Posts: 160 CA.	Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09 Reply #42 - 04/21/09 at 9:00am Hey Bap...you are so right!
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threewideracin LMR Rookie Offline Dirt Late Models Rule! Posts: 16	Re: Mods Cancelled at Kings 4-18-09 Reply #43 - 04/22/09 at 10:07am to dirtracer8 if you LOOK at the IMCA site youll see hanford is a OFFICIAL IMCA TRACK will always be. racers just need to come out and try the new racing surface that was prepaired over the winter,the reason kings was removed was a miscommunication at IMCA,hope racers will try out the new racing surface.
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