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Re: New York Post; Afraid to Kill
Reply #44 - 12/14/09 at 3:05pm
 
Camarokid,

dsc cornfused me with that post as well as another. I've read and reread what he's been saying and still don't get it. Apparently somehow him and I have the same view, but somehow we are appearing to argue with each other.
I guess the difference between him and I, is that in the face of certain death, he's going to say "Thank You sir may I have another" whereas I'm going to shoot first.

I'm sure I'm still mistaken, so I will just say it again.....except for protection and forgiveness, Christianity has zero place in war. You can not be a good soldier and a good christian whilst in a battle for your life. As far as I read you are supposed to embrace your enemy and have compassion for other people. Well, in my world, if I was in battle, I'm going to shoot the enemy.

And to slightly clarify another thing dsc tried to pin on me....In this battle we are waging, the enemy is combining weapons and soldiers with religion and civilians. No I won't condone the blind carpet bombing of towns and villages as in WWII, but If a target is known to house weapons or soldiers, Blow It Up with out regard for loss of innocent life.
 It's not my problem they were not born into the best country in the world and I was. Sucks for them and Neener Neener. Wink
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Re: New York Post; Afraid to Kill
Reply #45 - 12/14/09 at 3:18pm
 
Ahh religon and politics you gotta love those two topics. Hey can we throw in some gun control. lol
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Re: New York Post; Afraid to Kill
Reply #46 - 12/14/09 at 3:18pm
 
"In this battle we are waging, the enemy is combining weapons and soldiers with religion and civilians. No I won't condone the blind carpet bombing of towns and villages as in WWII, but If a target is known to house weapons or soldiers, Blow It Up with out regard for loss of innocent life"

I agree 100%.... and I blame the deaths of the innocent on the "so called" soldier that hides among the civilians ( I say so-called because they're to chicken to wear a uniform or carry a flag), he is responsible for the deaths of the innocent.
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Re: New York Post; Afraid to Kill
Reply #47 - 12/14/09 at 3:20pm
 
dscEvents wrote on 12/14/09 at 11:11am:
Jr07,

And Duane,

If you (and 18rcr) truly don't know why we are supposed to "turn the other cheek", then there's no point debating the issue. But here it is from the Big Guy Himself:

   You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.' But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.
   —Matthew 5:38-42, NIV


   But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have them do to you.
   —Luke 6:27-31. NIV








First of all, I believe everything in the Bible, period.

In your first verse it speaks in singular, I take that as one man or woman.

And the last line in the second verse explains it all to me also, if I wrong someone, I can expect to be wronged right back.  In other words, if I attack someone, I can expect them to attack back.  NO? And again, this is in singular.

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Re: New York Post; Afraid to Kill
Reply #48 - 12/14/09 at 3:34pm
 
bluebyu wrote on 12/14/09 at 3:18pm:
Ahh religon and politics you gotta love those two topics. Hey can we throw in some gun control. lol


LOL...It keeps them busy......
Gun control is hitting your target without setting down nor spilling your beer.
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Re: New York Post; Afraid to Kill
Reply #49 - 12/14/09 at 5:00pm
 
dscEvents wrote on 12/14/09 at 11:11am:
Jr07,

Actually I was making that very point that you made in your reply to my post about material things. But you had seemed to use the scripture to imply that defending a material crown justified pre-emptive violence.

I was pointing out that material things are not what Jesus was trying to protect. You seem to agree with my point at the same time you are disagreeing with it.

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Dave,

Something must be getting lost in translation. No where on this thread have I disagreed with you other than pointing out a misquote of Ben Franklin and then attempted to illustrate the conditions of spirituality under which our country was formed.

Never was I defending "justified pre-emptive violence" nor did I ever refer to a "material crown".

Again, I am sorry if some people don't feel a spiritual need to defend their God given inalienable rights whether they be of this world or the next. If you believe that they do indeed come from God then why would you not defend them to the fullest possible extent?

As far as escalating in Afghanistan I thought that I had given my opinion at the beginning of this thread in which I made it clear that we agreed on the issue.
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Re: New York Post; Afraid to Kill
Reply #50 - 12/15/09 at 5:02pm
 
Dave, one of your quotes from the bible says if someone takes from you that your not suppose to ask for it back,, I just wonder if you would even follow that one line? I bet you would ask for it back and would call 911 as fast as your fingers could push the numbers, I don't know of one person that could follow all the rules that god has set in place and God knows it can't be done,(but doesn't mean you have a get out of hell free card) so for you to quote them and judge people on them is wrong, maybe you was just bringing them up as why people shouldn't feel or do some things, if your without sin then I can see why you did it, But I bet you are with sin, one sin or another, you cant sit there and tell me you honestly would follow every rule God has in place, you would not let a man knock the crap out of you, take your things and do nothing about it, can you? ,,,,as far as me wanting to kill women and children? No I would rather OUR troops fight head to head with the baastards but we know that doesnt happen very often, they run and hide and the women hide them,, So I say if they are willing to hide among the women and children then we should do what it takes to get this over with,,Turn the other cheek? Your a better christian than me if you can have someone punch you in the mouth and not strike him back,, I think you wouldnt be in much of a hugging mood if it was to happen to you,,, WAR IS HELL AND IF YOU BELIEVE YOU SHOULDNT KILL THE ENEMY THAT IS THIRSTING FOR YOUR HEAD THEN BY ALL MEANS PLEASE STAY OUT OF MY FOX HOLE, NO HUGGING WILL BE DONE AROUND ME, I WILL BE THE ONE SHOOTING THE MF'rs,,

Country before God? NO,,,But God created this country I live in and I will defend it every chance I get..
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Re: New York Post; Afraid to Kill
Reply #51 - 12/16/09 at 7:15am
 
God did not create this country but he has the whole world in his hands. Cmon if you know it sing along. This country was created under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.  
A murder on the run breaks into your house and takes your wife and kids hostage. Should the cops blow your house up and all in it to get the bad guy? What makes you think those woman and children aren't afraid for their lives and doing what they are told.
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Re: New York Post; Afraid to Kill
Reply #52 - 12/16/09 at 7:39am
 
Quote:
"What makes you think those woman and children aren't afraid for their lives and doing what they are told."

What makes you think they are?

I'm going by the thousands of first hand reports from troops and reporters in the middle east, detailing the struggles of winning over local villagers so they will quit hiding and assisting the terrorists.

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Re: New York Post; Afraid to Kill
Reply #53 - 12/16/09 at 8:08am
 
bluebyu wrote on 12/16/09 at 7:15am:
God did not create this country



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Our founding fathers did not see it that way..

While it is true that the majority of them may have been deists, almost to the man they believed that divine providence played an unmistakable part in the ability to acheive independence and give birth to this nation.
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