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engine miss about 4200
04/26/11 at 11:43pm
 
Quick run down. Engine ran great first race of year. 2nd race during main, get hit,which causes a flat and forced to infield. Get fixed and go back on track. notice a miss so call it a nite.

What could it be? Maybe valve springs? Put new ones on. Same thing
Changed distr., plugs, wires, fuel pump, solenoid, checked timing and all electrical connections, compressions good. floats good,changed the oil, it was clean, cut open the filter in was clean. Idles fine, and sounds good until the 4200 area.

Drove it up and down the road and noticed when it would start to miss if let of then got back on it it was fine.

Could it be the fuel pick up? A hose collapsing?

Talked to a bunch of guys, that's why we changed everything above 1 by 1.

Anybody have this before?
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Re: engine miss about 4200
Reply #1 - 04/27/11 at 12:26am
 
i had to change the coil and modulator and it cleared right up...try looking at the inside of the cap in the center where the little black dill sits on the rotor cap...sorry i dont know what that little dill is called...lol...i had one break off and that caused it to miss to...i was suprised the car even started...check all wires to especially the ones that go through the firewall maybe one got sliced open and its grounding out
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Reply #2 - 04/27/11 at 10:54am
 
Thanks Wood for the input. Put a brand new Pro Form distr. In. Still got the miss. I'll check the wiring closer.
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Reply #3 - 04/27/11 at 8:03pm
 
Roeman00, it was nice to meet you guys today, hope you find the problem and get it solved.  Good luck, Alan
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Reply #4 - 04/27/11 at 8:16pm
 
Have the battery checked for a dead cell. Had the same problem only missed under a load and wouldnt turn more than 6400. Changed every thing but  the block twice. battery was brand new and had a dead cell. After buying new cam,heads carb and two distributors found the problem by accident.
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Reply #5 - 04/27/11 at 8:20pm
 
I chased a problem like that one year at Merced, thought it was fuel pump, but found out my tip over valve had come apart in my fuel cell and that steel ball was in the hose and would only get sucked up under a heavy load and would almost stall engine... look for even the simplest of things... good luck
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Reply #6 - 04/27/11 at 8:38pm
 
Tried a new high volt coil and module in the old distributor, did our first run, no miss sounded smooth. Turned around, our second run the miss returned. Put a brand new optima in. Still got the miss. We finally had a smooth run. That was encouraging.

Thanks Darrel and JP for the advice. Good to meet you too Goldstar.

Gonna check fuel line tomorrow. Blew them out today, maybe collapsing under load?? Very frustrating.
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Reply #7 - 04/27/11 at 8:50pm
 
I know somebody else that had the same problem with the roll over valve. Another $2 part that can cost you A main event or 2.
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Reply #8 - 04/29/11 at 6:50am
 
I chased that problem for over a year .... Seemed the stock fuel pumps werent keeping up. Put a holley fuel pump and a regulator on and problem went away. But, also, check your breather on fuel cell, and if your line is rubber, change it every year or add a steel line instead.
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Reply #9 - 04/29/11 at 7:16am
 
check for vacume leak after warmed up & do a leakdown you might have a blown head gasket between 2 cylinders will do ok cold but not as warms up . any ? call 661 342 0837 Larry Burns.
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Reply #10 - 05/01/11 at 2:21pm
 
Update.... Looked at all the wiring under dash. Found a couple wires connections loose. Installed a brand new tach and push button. New fuel line and still got the miss.
Did a leak down all cylinders were fine.
Gonna try a better flowing fuel pump. We usually run the stock one with 3/8's hose. Gonna run 1/2" like Leeboy suggested.

To be continued....
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Reply #11 - 05/01/11 at 4:04pm
 
Danny,I'm having the same problem on my sportmod. I've done and checked all that you have. I'm to the point that it is in the carb. Try riching the mix see if it gets better, Mine did. I was able to make the main lastnight. Not fixed but better.
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Reply #12 - 05/01/11 at 4:09pm
 
Danny, what plugs do you have in the motor?Give me a call when you get a little time and let me ask you a few questions.  Matt
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Reply #13 - 05/01/11 at 6:54pm
 
make sure the fuel pickup hose is in the right spot inside the tank and make sure it cant suction itself to the bladder in the cell. IMO it sounds like you oughtta check in the fuel cell. what corner did you get hit on before the miss?
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Reply #14 - 05/01/11 at 8:27pm
 
Another thing that happened to me, was over the winter, the rubber fuel pick up actually rotted part way up. As well as some of the fuel cell foam. And the rotted fuel cell foam, clogged the fuel line partially. Try blowing out the fuel line and try and catch anything that comes out( if anything comes out )
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Reply #15 - 05/01/11 at 10:02pm
 
also check the fuel filter make sure its clean and in correctly
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Reply #16 - 05/01/11 at 10:12pm
 
Tim this is Mike, Dannys brother. Are you saying to go up on the jets?
I'll try it tomorrow.  thanks.

Matt , we had the 133's in. Went to the ar26's. Had a new set already. I'll call you on Monday. Thanx.

Ian, pick up is in the RR corner. Got hit in the LF.

LeeBoy, there is no foam. Already blew the hoses out. We now have new hose from ful pump to cell. Thanks for the help

How can a hit in the LF cause this problem?? Just a coincidence??

The only thing that has to do with fuel, or electrical we haven't done is the bigger fuel pump and hose.

To be continued..
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Reply #17 - 05/01/11 at 11:16pm
 
Hey Danny, sorry I didn't get a chance to talk to you today. On the way home from merced I was thinking about your problem, and it dawned on me that your miss started after you got hit in the left front wheel. Check the float in the carb. It is probably bent from the hit and staying up not allowing the bowl to fill with fuel, and by the time you get to 4200 it runs out, causing your miss.
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Reply #18 - 05/02/11 at 11:12am
 
Danny, check the pickup and make sure it didn't move on you. Cut the end of the pickup on a 45 degree angle and position it so it can't suck to the cell. Make sure the tip over valve didn't come apart and trying to suck the pieces into the pickup. Also make sure all vaccum caps are on carb, and make sure they are good with no cracks.
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Reply #19 - 05/02/11 at 11:53am
 
make sure the ground wire from frame to engine is good, clean and solid...make sure no paint or oil under lug connection...if u don't have at least a number 4 or larger copper wire for an engine ground than this might be your problem...do not trust motor mounts as a ground...

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Reply #20 - 05/02/11 at 1:16pm
 
Hey Bill this is Mike posting.we didn't go down to the pits, we were in the stands..  Put a new bowl and float on. I'll let you know if that helped. Everything in cell looks good. Took apart, and pressurized the pick up to see if it had a small hole. End of pick up is already a 45 . All vacuum caps are good.

Kelly, we have never ran a ground from block to frame. I'll put one on.

Thanks guys for all the help.

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Reply #21 - 05/02/11 at 3:09pm
 
roeman00 wrote on 05/02/11 at 1:16pm:
Hey Bill this is Mike posting.we didn't go down to the pits, we were in the stands..  Put a new bowl and float on. I'll let you know if that helped. Everything in cell looks good. Took apart, and pressurized the pick up to see if it had a small hole. End of pick up is already a 45 . All vacuum caps are good.

Kelly, we have never ran a ground from block to frame. I'll put one on.

Thanks guys for all the help.



Mike


Did the above... Still got it!! Gonna pull it out and put in our new motor for the new car tonight.

If it still misses we will know its between the bumpers. If it goes away, its in the motor.

Man chasing this problem sucks!!!
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