Home | Help | Search | Login | Register

Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register 05/01/25 at 7:07am


SATURDAY NIGHT RACER
Saturday Night RacerSaturday Night RacerRACE TECH › Breaking transmission cases and front pump gear


Pages: 1 2 
Breaking transmission cases and front pump gear (Read 20825 times)
Lacy Racing #13
LMR Rookie
*
Offline



Posts: 83
Fresno,Ca.
Breaking transmission cases and front pump gear
07/28/13 at 11:50am
 
Any help appreciated.
I'm running a Hobby Stock dirt track Nova.
I changed the sub frame 2 years ago,and installed urethane motor mounts and trans mount.
I bought a TCI 10 circle track converter.
Turbo 350 transmission.
No issues after 2 seasons.
The Case broke across the Bell Housing,and broke front pump gears.
Replaced case and front pump.
Next race,same thing happened,broken case across bell housing,and front pump gears broken.
Put in new transmission,same TCI converter.
I measured 3/16" between flex plate and converter flange.
Set trans down on mount with loose bolts,so no binding,then tightened everything up.
No issues during heat race, but 3 laps into the main,same thing,it's like I put it in neutral,engine revs,but doesn't go. From just looking,I can see transmission bell housing is broken all the way across again.
I checked end play on crankshaft by prying from the front,then prying from the back of crank.
It does not budge.
What else can be causing this to happen?
That's 3 broken transmissions.

I read don't use a solid trans mount,could the urethane trans mount cause this?
Back to top
 
 

"Do it in the Dirt"
  IP Logged
childressJr.16
LMR God
*****
Offline

IS WHAT IT IS

Posts: 511
Bakersfield Ca
Re: Breaking transmission cases and front pump gear
Reply #1 - 07/28/13 at 6:56pm
 
MAKE sure your driveshaft is balanced
Back to top
 
 

"OUTLAW"RICKY CHILDRESS!!!
  IP Logged
rickdurica
LMR Rookie
*
Offline

Duricaracing.com

Posts: 69
Las Vegas, NV
Re: Breaking transmission cases and front pump gear
Reply #2 - 07/28/13 at 10:42pm
 
Make sure your yoke is not bottoming out on the output shaft splines
Back to top
 
 
WWW   IP Logged
racincowboy3
LMR Member
***
Offline

GO BIG OR GO HOME

Posts: 158
Nuevo, CA
Re: Breaking transmission cases and front pump gear
Reply #3 - 07/29/13 at 8:00am
 
I just have been fighting a similar thing... I know what we found and will give you some ideas as to what to look at and see what the issues might be...

1. make sure, as stated above that the drive shaft is balanced.

2. check to make sure there is no bent axles.  put the car on jack stands, take off the tires, put a couple of lug nuts on to hold the rotor ot drum in place, then turn the car on and let it idle... see if there is any wobble to the axle.

3. If those are good you need to be concerned with the chassis flexing and binding... maybe a weld broke or something...

Hope that helps
Back to top
 
 
  IP Logged
Lacy Racing #13
LMR Rookie
*
Offline



Posts: 83
Fresno,Ca.
Re: Breaking transmission cases and front pump gear
Reply #4 - 07/29/13 at 12:32pm
 
Drive shaft is fine,no bent axles, plenty of space for yoke.
I keep going back to that urethane trans mount.
Nova is a subframed car,so I think the chassis flexing,and that mount is to stiff.
Any other suggestions?
Back to top
 
 

"Do it in the Dirt"
  IP Logged
TIM_BEWLEY
LMR God
*****
Offline

road zombie

Posts: 1629

Re: Breaking transmission cases and front pump gear
Reply #5 - 07/29/13 at 12:50pm
 
I was thinking chassis flex and the trans mount. Try a stock rubber one.
Back to top
 
 



PAN OFF GETTING A 1" INSPECTION PLUG!
  IP Logged
childressJr.16
LMR God
*****
Offline

IS WHAT IT IS

Posts: 511
Bakersfield Ca
Re: Breaking transmission cases and front pump gear
Reply #6 - 07/29/13 at 7:50pm
 
i run solid motor an solid trans mount never a problem
Back to top
 
 

"OUTLAW"RICKY CHILDRESS!!!
  IP Logged
Lacy Racing #13
LMR Rookie
*
Offline



Posts: 83
Fresno,Ca.
Re: Breaking transmission cases and front pump gear
Reply #7 - 07/29/13 at 8:06pm
 
I talked to TCI today.
They said never under any circumstances run a solid trans mount.
They have had many broken cases because of this.
3 broken cases.im running out of ideas other than the mount.
Back to top
 
 

"Do it in the Dirt"
  IP Logged
sundown
LMR Rookie
*
Offline

I love YaBB 1G -
SP1!

Posts: 98

Re: Breaking transmission cases and front pump gear
Reply #8 - 07/30/13 at 6:31am
 
Change the converter.  It is the only thing not changed.....It must be out of balance or locking up completely.
Back to top
 
 

sundown
  IP Logged
racincowboy3
LMR Member
***
Offline

GO BIG OR GO HOME

Posts: 158
Nuevo, CA
Re: Breaking transmission cases and front pump gear
Reply #9 - 07/30/13 at 7:51am
 
My transmission guys always recommended the urethane mount.  we have used them for as long as I can remember and the only cracking issues we ever had were for other reasons
Back to top
 
 
  IP Logged
racincowboy3
LMR Member
***
Offline

GO BIG OR GO HOME

Posts: 158
Nuevo, CA
Re: Breaking transmission cases and front pump gear
Reply #10 - 07/30/13 at 7:56am
 
Also... and this is important to consider... If you have broken 2 cases in the last 2 races, and never had the issue before and ran the urethane mount the entire time, its not the mount that is your issue.  something had to have changed, like bent axle, driveshaft etc. Excessive chassis flex will cause it to break no matter the mount from what I was told.  Check it all out!
Back to top
 
 
  IP Logged
benstrans
LMR God
*****
Offline

I love YaBB 1G -
SP1!

Posts: 1548

Re: Breaking transmission cases and front pump gear
Reply #11 - 08/15/13 at 10:11am
 
Too much driveshaft travel allowing the yoke to bottom out.

Check all your rear suspension and see if something is allowing the driveshaft to move further than it used to.
Back to top
 
 
  IP Logged
hogracer3d
LMR God
*****
Offline

We bust our a$$ to
kick yours-!!!

Posts: 3933

Re: Breaking transmission cases and front pump gear
Reply #12 - 08/15/13 at 10:29am
 
are the motor mounts solid?
Back to top
 
 

DSClaimer: I have no DNA evidence that my post is absolutely 100% true and accurate, and frankly don't care !
  IP Logged
Lacy Racing #13
LMR Rookie
*
Offline



Posts: 83
Fresno,Ca.
Re: Breaking transmission cases and front pump gear
Reply #13 - 08/16/13 at 10:19pm
 
Motor Mounts and Trans mount are urethane.
Advice from here and TCI,said urethane are close to solid mounts and to go with rubber so it will flex,and not twist the trans case breaking the case .
I changed the trans mount to the stock rubber.
Racing tomorrow night, I guess I will find out if that is the fix.
Back to top
 
 

"Do it in the Dirt"
  IP Logged
Lacy Racing #13
LMR Rookie
*
Offline



Posts: 83
Fresno,Ca.
Re: Breaking transmission cases and front pump gear
Reply #14 - 08/25/13 at 12:57am
 
Put stock rubber trans mount in.
Broke 4th transmission case in 4 races.
I give up. Anyone want to donate a Saginaw 3 speed.
Back to top
 
 

"Do it in the Dirt"
  IP Logged
pfp
LMR Rookie
*
Offline



Posts: 71

Re: Breaking transmission cases and front pump gear
Reply #15 - 08/25/13 at 1:55am
 
 If it said I missed it.Is the case braking at the rear of the case? Or the bellhousing (about 2'' back from the motor)??

Anyway if You want some help send me Your # in a pm and I'll call You when I get time.
Back to top
 
 
  IP Logged
Dirt54
LMR Rookie
*
Offline

Payback is Best
Served!!!

Posts: 21
Sonoma County
Re: Breaking transmission cases and front pump gear
Reply #16 - 08/25/13 at 12:14pm
 
Check drivetrain alignment. If anything is not square or true it could cause that.
Back to top
 
 

Machado 54m
  IP Logged
benstrans
LMR God
*****
Offline

I love YaBB 1G -
SP1!

Posts: 1548

Re: Breaking transmission cases and front pump gear
Reply #17 - 08/25/13 at 7:52pm
 
jack up it, put it on stands, and go our AT NIGHT and put a LAZER beam light on all the pertinant points, from one to another.

THAT should show up an alignement problem.
Back to top
 
 
  IP Logged
Jennings42Racing
LMR Senior
****
Offline

Dirt Late Models
Rule!

Posts: 304
Pittsburg Ca
Re: Breaking transmission cases and front pump gear
Reply #18 - 08/27/13 at 3:35am
 
To me it sounds like the drive line is out of balance or your u-joints are binding up and not rotating smooth. Even check your torque converter to see if its balanced.
Back to top
 
 
  IP Logged
Lacy Racing #13
LMR Rookie
*
Offline



Posts: 83
Fresno,Ca.
Re: Breaking transmission cases and front pump gear
Reply #19 - 08/27/13 at 1:36pm
 
Bought a angle finder,
Engine is at 3 degrees down
Diff is 3 degrees up
Next step,changing u joints,and taking driveline to shop for balancing
Back to top
 
 

"Do it in the Dirt"
  IP Logged
racincowboy3
LMR Member
***
Offline

GO BIG OR GO HOME

Posts: 158
Nuevo, CA
Re: Breaking transmission cases and front pump gear
Reply #20 - 08/28/13 at 7:32am
 
Lacy Racing #13 wrote on 08/27/13 at 1:36pm:
Bought a angle finder,
Engine is at 3 degrees down
Diff is 3 degrees up
Next step,changing u joints,and taking driveline to shop for balancing


Great idea!  Also get the car up on jack stands, fire the motor and put it in gear with the tires off and watch the axle... the slightest bend would be hard to see on the ground rolling but is enough to mess up a trans case from the vibration.  Happened to me.
Back to top
 
 
  IP Logged
Lacy Racing #13
LMR Rookie
*
Offline



Posts: 83
Fresno,Ca.
Re: Breaking transmission cases and front pump gear
Reply #21 - 10/29/13 at 10:01pm
 
They problem ended up being the Pinion Angle.
It was 3 degrees up,under torque lifted pinion angle even higher,pushing the trans tail shaft up,breaking the bell housing.
Put 6 degree angle shim in leaf spring,dropping the pinion angle down 3 degrees. Now under torque,lifts pinion up to level,not breaking the case,and giving me more forward bite. Coming out of the corners quicker. Thanks for all the help. #13
Back to top
 
 

"Do it in the Dirt"
  IP Logged
Pages: 1 2 





Saturday Night Racer » Powered by YaBB 2.2.3!
YaBB © 2000-2008. All Rights Reserved.