ST_ODIE wrote on 09/18/06 at 11:38pm:
Not sure what your getting at here Odie are you saying the wht WAS strectched to fast? What are you using for a bench mark?  I can't see where WAS has done much of anything wrong, but maybe I'm miss reading what you meant.  Duane

jrtracing wrote on 09/19/06 at 9:48am:




DING DING DING ......WE HAVE A WINNER!

1. GET COMMITTMENT (racers/teams)

2. DETERMINE PURSE

3. GARNER SOLID SPONSOR $$  ( in writing  )

4. SET NON-CONFLICTING DATES WITH INTERESTED TRACKS.

5. ALL PARTIES SHOW UP AT ALL EVENTS AND THE TRACKS WILL SEE WHAT YOU BRING TO THEM AND DESIRE YOUR SHOW.


may be premature but the W.A.S. may prove this stategy to be a good "model" for all others interested in UNIFYING YOUR SHOW (CLASS)


jmo.



peace....................................mike

The crate engine rule is in effect right now, so what is the worries. You can buy a crate stick it in a chassis and go race right now. The E v W went with the same rules package for 3 years to keep from having to change things yearly. If you look at other tracks they update and change rules on an annual basis.

jrtracing wrote on 09/19/06 at 12:21pm:



So what if you did a claim at a little less than the cost of the crate? Incentive to buy the crate and or keep the cost down on your non crate engine. Or-- a swap with some $$ rule.

I know the road i'm on is unpopular. I know about the 3 year deal.

I like the Super streets. But what incentive is needed to draw out the cars out there? Whats needed to make a guy build a new car?

Why is EVW essential to make it "look like a strong class"? Shouldn't it be a strong class?

I just wish you guys had your heads in the direction of figuring out what it would take to get more cars and more drivers excited about supers.

The average conversation with non super teams goes like this " Street stocks? That class is dying." I hear it ALL the time. It's a great class. The leadership is there- Focus on recruitment.

Why do I care? I have a car. I don't want to end up with a piece of crap in my garage with no place for it to run because a promoter sees a strong mod class and a weak SS class and dumps the street class.

Don't mean to sound negative. Apologies if I do. I actually really care about this subject, would like to see the class strong at SMS and Bako. Would like to have good reasons to put some $$ into my car. Would rather race it than strip it and put everything into a mod.

Now i'm over it.

Frazier 15, I think the problem of going to a claim now is that so many people have built engines with out that concern. IMO if you are moving into a claimer class, you know that going in and you do not buy Crower cranks, Carrillo rods, etc. If you've been running Streets for awhile like a lot of have been, you end up with engines in your shop that you financially could not put in a car that might get claimed. Kinda like the chicken and egg dealio. If you go into IMCA mods then you build accordingly. The problem is that we as a class have not had to build for a claim potential and have been able to build for HP and reliabilty which obviously costs $$$. The no touch heads will help some next year and keeping the lid on future escalating technology should also help keep the class close to where it is now as for as priciness hopefully.

jrtracing wrote on 09/19/06 at 1:08pm:


Your right- it has.
jrtracing wrote on 09/19/06 at 1:08pm:

Alrighty then.Thank you for considering my thoughts on the subject.

i agree dirt, the one knock that ive heard about the EvsW is that it top heavy when it comes to payout. But then again its known for its $1000 to win. So if they spread it out through the field then the $1000 will have to decrease....

I see Lee, my mistake...... Whats your opinion on perhaps a sactioning body for Supers

I totally agree, IMCA stocks i dont think would go over to well, like you said its almost impossible to get racers to slow down.  SSRA (super streets racing association)

One of the growing pains of the EvW division may be that eventually the name "East vs West" won't fit any more.

I wouldn't be interested in an IMCA deal.  If I wanted to run one of those cars I'd run the Bak hobby stock division.

I think the East West is our street stock association. It's probably one of the best set up associations in the nation. I'm not always sure that drivers making the rules is best for the sport but it got the tracks on one page which is a good start.  The one thing about the EW compared to IMCA is EW puts some of the stake in the drivers hand.  I always invisioned north cars having east west series and south cars having east west races and then having north vs south.  But at this point theres not enough cars.  We did grab a couple cars from Perris and there are guys at Perris that want to get in on things as well.  One thing I'm leary of is creating a full on traveling show because traveling is very expensive as some of the northern cars know.  

Changes I'd like to see in the future:

leveled out pay outs, ie   600,500,400,300,275, 250, 225 etc...Winning 1000 feels great but winning 225 for 3rd sucks.

I know everyone hates me for this but maybe evolving into a hoosier hard tire.  I still think tires are the biggest expense next to engines.  Having a tire that would last longer and limitting HP traction would be good long term.  Right now HP matters.  Either way it's better than any kind of claim or manditory spec motor.  

Getting more tracks on one rule book.


(If the SS bring in 16+ cars they should get the EW payout.  I agree anything less should have a pay reduction based on car count)