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Reply #89 - 05/03/10 at 8:44pm

so if we wanted to race the memorial day weekend show at santa maria the $3000 to win we couldn't because we have a camero front clip with a fab chassis and a three link with a pull bar and j-bar. whats even crazier is that imperial turkey classic open comp race, a lot of the cars that are racing at the west coast series and at the memorial day weekend race will race the open comp race and be very competive or even beat us on leaf springs. just a thought.... wish we could race else were with a pretty much similar car.

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Re: ss 3 link
Reply #90 - 05/03/10 at 9:06pm

hogracer3d wrote on 05/02/10 at 5:08pm:

(1) The 3D was originally a coil car from the factory (79 Coupe Deville)
(2) the car was built new in 2005
(3) from 2005 to 8-09, it made a couple of appearances at special events at SMS and Bako, with permission of the EvW series, but only if we took a weight penalty, and ran completely stock 4-link with stock uppers and lowers, in their original stock position.
The car still retained the ENTIRE OEM FRAME bumper to bumper
We complied with those rules in order to run those events and only those events.
(4) from 05 to 8-1-09 it had an optional 3-link engineered into it, which consisted of a j-bar and 3rd link mounts on top, which you would have likely seen us using at other open and regular events at other tracks whenever they were legal.
(5) we then made EvW aware that we would attend more events if our car were closer to their rules, the series listened to our concerns and put it on the ballot for EVERYBODY to vote on.
(6) we had but ONE vote on the issue, the vote to add the 3-link for factory coil cars was adapted for the 09-2011 seasons.
(7)We had NOTHING to do with the 20/20 rule, that was implemented by the series rules committee.
(8) The car was then cut completely apart, re-engineered and re-configured to meet the new rules, with the cooperation and APPROVAL of the EvW Tech Staff.
(9) on 8-09, we rented SMS for a test, and allowed full access to the car for inspection, by the Tech Staff, promoter, and a few competitors----- THE CAR PASSED INSPECTION.
(10) The car utilizes "out of the box" thinking, imagineering and fabrication.
(11) team 3D has NEVER presented a car for inspection, that has not passed. It has been pre-inspected and post inspected many, many times, and never disqualified for any reason.

and your point is?

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Re: ss 3 link
Reply #91 - 05/03/10 at 9:09pm

propit21 wrote on 05/03/10 at 8:44pm:

so if we wanted to race the memorial day weekend show at santa maria the $3000 to win we couldn't because we have a camero front clip with a fab chassis and a three link with a pull bar and j-bar. whats even crazier is that imperial turkey classic open comp race, a lot of the cars that are racing at the west coast series and at the memorial day weekend race will race the open comp race and be very competive or even beat us on leaf springs. just a thought.... wish we could race else were with a pretty much similar car.

all you have to do is put a 20" soild top link and a 20" soild pan hard bar on and you can race.

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Re: ss 3 link
Reply #92 - 05/03/10 at 9:13pm

ss97 wrote on 04/25/10 at 11:04pm:

how to set up a 3 link setup

this is for a chevelle clip mod but maybe it will help

RIDE HEIGHTS-(NEW CHEVELLE FRONT CLIP):
LF: 7 7/8" to 8" from ground to center line of lower A-Frame bolt
RF: 7 7/8" to 8" from ground to center line of lower A-Frame bolt
LR: Will be set by amount of wedge
RR: 2 3/4" top of lower underslung to bottom of axle tube for under rail
RR: 12 3/4" from bottom of top frame to top of axle tube for over rail
SPRINGS:
3-LINK:
LF: 600 ----- RF: 650
LR: 250 ----- RR: 175

SHOCKS:
LF: 75 ----- RF: 75
LR: 6-2 ------ RR: 94
SLICK TRACK SHOCKS:
LF: 5-3 ----- RF: 3-5
LR: 8-2 ----- RR: 3-5
BITE:
3-LINK: 100 LBS ------
LEFT SIDE: 52.5% ------ REAR: 57%
* Based on 15 gallons of fuel and no driv
Pinion Angle - 7 Degrees
REAREND LOCATION:
3-LINK: Lower Trailing Arms 15" Center-to-Center

* Lead Right Rear Back 1/4"
FRONT END ALLIGNMENT:
CASTER: ----- CAMBER:
LF: 2+ ----- LF: 2+
RF: 4+ ----- RF: 3 1/2 -
TOE: 1/4 to 3/8 out
3-LINK FRAME MOUNTING LOCATION:
LR: 4th hole up
RR: 4th hole up
REAREND HOUSING WIDTH:
60" Centered
WHEEL OFF-SETS:
LF: 2" ----- RF: 2"
LR: 2" ----- RR: 3"
(Increase RR to 4" off-set in extreme smooth and slick applications)
TUNING WITH REAR SHOCKS ON 3-LINK SUSPENSION:
FOR 3-LINK:
* Left rear shock in front when more drive is desired and right rear shock behind when car needs to be tighter on entry.
* Left rear shock increase compression on slick race tracks
* 90/10 shock should be used with all pullbar applications
RECOMMENDED TIRE AIR PRESSURE:
LF: 10 lbs ----- RF: 12 lbs
LR: 8 lbs ----- RR: 12 lbs

Afco 20032-1 for the uppers

Afco 20036 or 20038-1 for the lowers

I'm not sure if these fit your control arms but these are the taller ones.

k6136 and k6117 those will fit the a frames and are the tall ones

Call QA1 They make anything you want. They require ZERO torque to move the ball joint and they are rebuildable. They cost the same as the Afco ones too. Cant go wrong! They REALLY free the front end up also!

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Re: ss 3 link
Reply #93 - 05/03/10 at 9:14pm

TIM_BEWLEY wrote on 05/03/10 at 9:06pm:

hogracer3d wrote on 05/02/10 at 5:08pm:

(1) The 3D was originally a coil car from the factory (79 Coupe Deville)
(2) the car was built new in 2005
(3) from 2005 to 8-09, it made a couple of appearances at special events at SMS and Bako, with permission of the EvW series, but only if we took a weight penalty, and ran completely stock 4-link with stock uppers and lowers, in their original stock position.
The car still retained the ENTIRE OEM FRAME bumper to bumper
We complied with those rules in order to run those events and only those events.
(4) from 05 to 8-1-09 it had an optional 3-link engineered into it, which consisted of a j-bar and 3rd link mounts on top, which you would have likely seen us using at other open and regular events at other tracks whenever they were legal.
(5) we then made EvW aware that we would attend more events if our car were closer to their rules, the series listened to our concerns and put it on the ballot for EVERYBODY to vote on.
(6) we had but ONE vote on the issue, the vote to add the 3-link for factory coil cars was adapted for the 09-2011 seasons.
(7)We had NOTHING to do with the 20/20 rule, that was implemented by the series rules committee.
(8) The car was then cut completely apart, re-engineered and re-configured to meet the new rules, with the cooperation and APPROVAL of the EvW Tech Staff.
(9) on 8-09, we rented SMS for a test, and allowed full access to the car for inspection, by the Tech Staff, promoter, and a few competitors----- THE CAR PASSED INSPECTION.
(10) The car utilizes "out of the box" thinking, imagineering and fabrication.
(11) team 3D has NEVER presented a car for inspection, that has not passed. It has been pre-inspected and post inspected many, many times, and never disqualified for any reason.

and your point is?

Nothing, absolutely nothing.

build yours and come get some

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Re: ss 3 link
Reply #94 - 05/03/10 at 9:17pm

hogracer3d wrote on 05/03/10 at 9:14pm:

TIM_BEWLEY wrote on 05/03/10 at 9:06pm:

hogracer3d wrote on 05/02/10 at 5:08pm:

(1) The 3D was originally a coil car from the factory (79 Coupe Deville)
(2) the car was built new in 2005
(3) from 2005 to 8-09, it made a couple of appearances at special events at SMS and Bako, with permission of the EvW series, but only if we took a weight penalty, and ran completely stock 4-link with stock uppers and lowers, in their original stock position.
The car still retained the ENTIRE OEM FRAME bumper to bumper
We complied with those rules in order to run those events and only those events.
(4) from 05 to 8-1-09 it had an optional 3-link engineered into it, which consisted of a j-bar and 3rd link mounts on top, which you would have likely seen us using at other open and regular events at other tracks whenever they were legal.
(5) we then made EvW aware that we would attend more events if our car were closer to their rules, the series listened to our concerns and put it on the ballot for EVERYBODY to vote on.
(6) we had but ONE vote on the issue, the vote to add the 3-link for factory coil cars was adapted for the 09-2011 seasons.
(7)We had NOTHING to do with the 20/20 rule, that was implemented by the series rules committee.
(8) The car was then cut completely apart, re-engineered and re-configured to meet the new rules, with the cooperation and APPROVAL of the EvW Tech Staff.
(9) on 8-09, we rented SMS for a test, and allowed full access to the car for inspection, by the Tech Staff, promoter, and a few competitors----- THE CAR PASSED INSPECTION.
(10) The car utilizes "out of the box" thinking, imagineering and fabrication.
(11) team 3D has NEVER presented a car for inspection, that has not passed. It has been pre-inspected and post inspected many, many times, and never disqualified for any reason.

and your point is?

Nothing, absolutely nothing.

build yours and come get some

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hogracer3d LMR God Offline We bust our a$$ to kick yours-!!! Posts: 3933	Re: ss 3 link Reply #95 - 05/03/10 at 9:20pm Dont forget this one-- lowers must remain stock but may use multi-hole locations
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propit21 LMR God Offline Dirt Late Models Rule! Posts: 769 brawley, ca	Re: ss 3 link Reply #96 - 05/03/10 at 9:25pm the bottom links are not stock, they are hiemed swedge tube links. with adjustable brackets. thanks for the advice we will see.
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Smith3d LMR Member Offline Posts: 128	Re: ss 3 link Reply #97 - 05/03/10 at 9:27pm Dave, after reading Tim's post looks like you need to order 4 springs and 3 shocks. We're all screwed up!!! Might want to get a new rearend housing, change the FT end setup, 3 new wheels..... just build a new one and hire Tim instead of Paul to build it.
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hogracer3d LMR God Offline We bust our a$$ to kick yours-!!! Posts: 3933	Re: ss 3 link Reply #98 - 05/03/10 at 9:32pm yea, we could have just asked instead of blowing 5 years on it
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propit21 LMR God Offline Dirt Late Models Rule! Posts: 769 brawley, ca	Re: ss 3 link Reply #99 - 05/03/10 at 9:41pm got a question for you 3d guys i was just watching the turkey race from last year and what happened to you guys, i rember that you wheel came off. was it loose lugs or broken studs but you guys were on. just wondering??
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ministocker56 LMR God Offline Dirt Late Models Rule! Posts: 1478	Re: ss 3 link Reply #100 - 05/03/10 at 10:06pm i'll get there name's , oh wait did'nt a track just cancel this class because of low car count
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MikeShepherd LMR God Offline Posts: 769	Re: ss 3 link Reply #101 - 05/03/10 at 10:14pm ministocker56 wrote on 05/03/10 at 10:06pm: i'll get there name's , oh wait did'nt a track just cancel this class because of low car count If your talking about Hanford they cancelled a race not the class
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ministocker56 LMR God Offline Dirt Late Models Rule! Posts: 1478	Re: ss 3 link Reply #102 - 05/03/10 at 10:38pm ya mike true but they cancelled this divison for this race because of low car count , let's see humm name , charlie dowdy , both breshesr's , tom grzincic , rick trimmer , rich denman , mike weigel , 1 of the shaffer car's , darrell hood , john harville , steve suchowirsky , dave bauer , mark tull , mitch caldwell , & probly a few more
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Re: ss 3 link
Reply #103 - 05/03/10 at 10:42pm

propit21 wrote on 05/03/10 at 9:41pm:

got a question for you 3d guys i was just watching the turkey race from last year and what happened to you guys, i rember that you wheel came off. was it loose lugs or broken studs but you guys were on. just wondering??

We had a loose LR wheel in the heat and wobbled a wheel, just put on a new wheel and tire and rattled the nuts down for the main, thought we were good.
But what we think happened is that the 1st loose wheel buggered up the last few threads on each stud (next to the hub).
When we tightened up the new wheel, we thought the nuts were tight, they were not, they stopped on the boogered threads as if they were tight, wheel came loose again in the main.
and subsequently came off.

We had nothing for the 9 car anyway, and 3 rows of blisters on the RR tire at the fuel stop.

it sucked to be leading when it happened, but oh well, what to do?

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propit21 LMR God Offline Dirt Late Models Rule! Posts: 769 brawley, ca	Re: ss 3 link Reply #104 - 05/03/10 at 10:53pm oh that sucked yeah eric evans was fast we only race a few races with that car and thats it. well can't wait for this year turkey classic
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Re: ss 3 link
Reply #105 - 05/04/10 at 12:02am

After considering the EvsW format and the lack of funds to build a top three 2bbl motor, I decided to park the car.
After CK changed the SS rules, I purchased the Degeer metic SS. Its been a long winter doing customer cars and now I'm finished converting it to the 3 link. I'm waiting on the machine shop for the motor. Might be ready for the SM race; if not its no big deal. I choose to start with another car for several reasons. I'm not in a hurry and I believe its a good rule program and it will take more time in this economy to build a full field.

PS This 415 cid motor will be about 60% cheaper than a top three 2 bbl motor. And it will be a top 3 motor.

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Re: ss 3 link
Reply #106 - 05/04/10 at 9:05am

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I like the 3-link rule & I think they should do away with the stock lower & 20/20 rules. Also let the 3-links at least use a biscut on the upper link. I agree with the pull bar rule, but I think the rules should be opened up a little. Might just get a better car count. The leaf spring cars have proved to be the dominant cars the last several years on any kind of track surface. Give the 3-links a little more to work with.

Ya do away with stock lowers, leave more out there for the hobby stock guys....lol

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Reply #107 - 05/04/10 at 9:17am

ministocker56 wrote on 05/03/10 at 10:38pm:

ya mike true but they cancelled this divison for this race because of low car count , let's see humm name , charlie dowdy , both breshesr's , tom grzincic , rick trimmer , rich denman , mike weigel , 1 of the shaffer car's , darrell hood , john harville , steve suchowirsky , dave bauer , mark tull , mitch caldwell , & probly a few more

OMG --- Greg, do you see why it is so hard to have any kind of conversation or debate with you?? I asked you to supply me with the "4 to 6" drivers that you knew that had quit the SS class becuase of the new rule changes, and you give me 14 names of guys that had left the class "LONG" before the new rules went into effect. If you read post #105 above, you will see that Mr. Bauer (on your list), say's he likes the new rules and is comming back (cudos to CK). Also on your list is Mr. Griznic, which has teamed up with the Heckman car and will be back on the track soon. Is there ANY chance that you could come up with something "positive" to say about the class?? Here is an example --- "I say the class is moving in a positive direction". Here is another one -- "Looking forward to a good car count from the SS class the next time they race at SMS". Now it's your turn ----- come-on, I know you can do it...........

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Re: ss 3 link
Reply #108 - 05/04/10 at 12:07pm

hogracer3d wrote on 05/03/10 at 8:26am:

imracin68j wrote on 05/03/10 at 8:21am:

Smith3d wrote on 04/29/10 at 8:34pm:

Doesn't matter what I believe, the car is built already and that is what we had to work with. I am pleased with how it came out regardless.

BTW, I don't care if the camaros put on a 3 link either I was just stating how I read the rule.

Aren't 82 + Camaros 3 links from the factory?

Yep, with a torque arm, just put the unibody with the struts on the car and run em

I think the car should be required to be sprung as originally equipped, leafs must be leafs, coils=coils

It should be a commitment to run one or the other, not change to which ever one suites your fancy, in a weekend's work

But can't you run a camaro clip on a coil car?

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Re: ss 3 link
Reply #109 - 05/04/10 at 12:17pm

How was the Victory Circle Chassis originally equipped?
Again these chassis' are fabricated, even the ones that used to be on the street, floor pans, fire walls, wheelbase shortened, upper control arms are reworked and aftermarket,

Why keep a guy from changing his rear suspension just because originally when it was on the street it was a certain way?

This is not a "stock" or entry level class and it's not supposed to be, The rear suspension rules are solid, allow the guys to choose.

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