jp80 wrote on 05/01/10 at 2:27pm:


Hanford last week

ministocker56 wrote on 05/02/10 at 10:41am:

Before the rule modification, if #11 (Ray) wanted to change his rear suspension he would have to go out and buy, or build, a WHOLE NEW CHASSIS.  I would say this rule modification saved him a BUNCH of money.  But I'm sure you still don't understand.....

Yes it cost's money to buy the stuff to change it over  BUT  It cost's more to buy or build a whole new chassis just because you want to change rear suspensions.

These chassis are fabricated now anyways ( floorboards are cut out, firewalls are moved, rearends are relocated to 105" wheelbase) etc. so I think it's good to give guys the choice.

If somebody wants to build a coil car, or change over to a coil car,   why require them to find a  car that originally had coils when it was on the street?

Again,, these are fabricated chassis'  it doesnt matter what it was on the street....


Mini stocker,  what if the 3d  or any other coil car starts winning more races and  dominating the class.   And some of the leaf spring cars want to change over to the coils,  are you saying they need to get a whole new car?

The-change the rules and the SS class will die opinion-was expressed here by "experts" not too long ago. Not changing the rules to keep up with economic conditions has nearly killed  the class. Less costly tires and engines are GOOD things. Ask modified people for used tires if you need tires to race on. Buy one new for the rrear.

What's next? Lower rear control arms for 3- links will be heim ended and not stock. The 20 inch panhard bar will become any lenght and shape. been there-done that-been called lots of things for doing it
Mike Kelly

(1) The 3D was originally a coil car from the factory (79 Coupe Deville)
(2) the car was built new in 2005
(3) from 2005 to 8-09, it made a couple of appearances at special events at SMS and Bako, with permission of the EvW series, but only if we took a weight penalty, and ran completely stock 4-link with stock uppers and lowers, in their original stock position.
The car still retained the ENTIRE OEM FRAME bumper to bumper
We complied with those rules in order to run those events and only those events.
(4) from 05 to 8-1-09 it had an optional 3-link engineered into it, which consisted of a j-bar and 3rd link mounts on top, which you would have likely seen us using at other open and regular events at other tracks whenever they were legal.
(5) we then made EvW aware that we would attend more events if our car were closer to their rules, the series listened to our concerns and put it on the ballot for EVERYBODY to vote on.
(6) we had but ONE vote on the issue, the vote to add the 3-link for factory coil cars was adapted for the 09-2011 seasons.
(7)We had NOTHING to do with the 20/20 rule, that was implemented by the series rules committee.
(8) The car was then cut completely apart, re-engineered and re-configured to meet the new rules, with the cooperation and APPROVAL of the EvW Tech Staff.
(9) on 8-09, we rented SMS for a test, and allowed full access to the car for inspection, by the Tech Staff, promoter, and a few competitors----- THE CAR PASSED INSPECTION.
(10) The car utilizes "out of the box" thinking, imagineering and fabrication.
(11) team 3D has NEVER presented a car for inspection, that has not passed. It has been pre-inspected and post inspected many, many times, and never disqualified for any reason.

hogracer3d wrote on 05/02/10 at 5:08pm:

imagineering ain't a word..........but it should be.......lol

that nova would smoke em in reno also... Now coil cars have 4 bars then why not allow that? Olds, monte carlo metric chassis...  

why does every ss thread turn into this? im currently building a 3 link ss and was hoping for some driver input on it...instead i get a few guys crying about rule in a class they have nothing to do with....

QUIT CRYING!!!!

as far as the tires go ive got a stack of g-60 from mod guys that are in great shape...and they were free.....guys crying about the tire that arent racing are just makig excuses......there are so many big budget mod guys out there with stacks of them next to there shops....

the suspension rule is great and came about before the new tire rule.....

more options saves money....and you talk about how much they change....all classes change....its called evolution....

imca mods have changed there tire and safety in the past 10-15 years and look how far they have come.....

chris, hogracer and anyone else with 3 link suspension i would appreciate your input on good starting spots, i.e. bar angles, springs and shocks.....thanks

jon majors

What about the Victory Circle SS Chassis?  What determines which rear suspension they should have?  there  are several out there.

You say that guys cannot afford to change their leaf spring cars to a coil  car?     No one is asking them to....   But when 3 d stars kicking their butt they may want to. but you wont let them  you would force them to build a whole new car....

I like the 3-link rule & I think they should do away with the stock lower & 20/20 rules. Also let the 3-links at least use a biscut on the upper link. I agree with the pull bar rule, but I think the rules should be opened up a little. Might just get a better car count. The leaf spring cars have proved to be the dominant cars the last several years on any kind of track surface. Give the 3-links a little more to work with.

Smith3d wrote on 04/29/10 at 8:34pm:


Aren't 82 +  Camaros 3 links from  the factory?